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What it's all about now? Huh?

2
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We're making
a documentary about Bill.

3
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Oh, a documentary on him? Yes.

4
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Oh. What about it?

5
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What do you want me say about Bill?

6
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<i>The best fashion show
is definitely on the street.</i>

7
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<i>Always has been
and always will be.</i>

8
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<i>It never occurred to me
that I'm just waiting.</i>

9
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<i>It's always the hope
that you'll see...</i>

10
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<i>some marvelous,
exotic bird of paradise,</i>

11
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<i>meaning a very elegant,
stunning woman,</i>

12
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<i>or someone wearing
something terrific.</i>

13
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A friend of mine, Steven O.,
called me at home,

14
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and he said, "Patrick,
there's 17 pictures of you...

15
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<i>in the New York Times. "</i>

16
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I was walking on a cloud
for weeks after that. I still am.

17
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I'm still on my dandy cloud.

18
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<i>Oh, my God.</i>

19
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<i>Look at... Look at the shoes.
See the heels?</i>

20
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Isn't that wonderful?

21
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<i>You have to be able to give the reader...
in a flash on Sunday...</i>

22
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<i>news and excitement
about what it was.</i>

23
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You know,
he has two columns.

24
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One of them
which is about...

25
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a documentation
of New York life,

26
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<i>in terms of the drivers of its social
and philanthropic world, political world,</i>

27
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<i>and this other, which is really
an attempt to tease out trends...</i>

28
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<i>in terms of the reality
of how people dress.</i>

29
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<i>By covering those two aspects,
I think he really does address...</i>

30
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<i>the whole spectrum
of what we are as New Yorkers,</i>

31
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<i>and I believe
he's the only one who does it.</i>

32
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<i>See, I don't decide anything.
I let the street speak to me.</i>

33
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<i>In order for the street
to speak to you,</i>

34
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<i>you've got to stay out there
and see what it is.</i>

35
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<i>You just don't manufacture
in your head...</i>

36
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<i>that skirts at the knee
are the thing.</i>

37
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<i>Then you go out and photograph
people with skirts at the knee.</i>

38
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<i>You've got to stay on the street and
let the street tell you what it is.</i>

39
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<i>There's no shortcuts.
Believe me.</i>

40
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Oh, my goodness.
I don't know where to stop or start.

41
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This is terrible.

42
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What's your deadline?

43
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You could... You could
really be a great help to me.

44
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What?

45
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Take these out like this, John.

46
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Okay.
Make it easy.

47
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And keep them like this,
and it would help me.

48
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Put 'em in here.
Okay.

49
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I hate to ask you.
I don't mean to use you...

50
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or misuse you,
but it would be helpful.

51
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Today is Thursday.

52
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When do you usually
know when your page...

53
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Right now.
Right now. I see.

54
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Yeah, it should be done.
I see.

55
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We haven't even got 'em scanned.

56
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Do you know what your page is yet?
Your "On the Street" page?

57
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Do you know
what it's going to be?

58
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It's going to be, uh,
all on legs and shoes.

59
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Oh, those are nice.

60
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Now that's a good one.

61
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I guess we'd better do it.

62
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You're gonna call that store
you want me to run down to...

63
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to go get your film?
Yeah.

64
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Oh, hello there.

65
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Uh, this is the guy that
comes on a bicycle.

66
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You're developing some film for me.

67
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Yeah. Uh, listen, I'm in...
kind of running,

68
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and a friend of mine
was gonna come and pick it up.

69
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John.

70
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He's a tall fella,
and he has long hair.

71
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You know. Okay.

72
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All right.

73
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I'll go get it.

74
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There's a couple of pictures on there
of shoes from this morning.

75
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All right.
So, we need that for today.

76
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- And I'll quickly get on this.
- Okay. I'll be right back with it.

77
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Wait a minute. Come on.
Let's get snappin' and crackin'.

78
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See, static, static.
Getting a little better.

79
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Then when the wind blows a bit...

80
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Oh, isn't that fun.

81
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Oh, you see, the minute
you get in the rain...

82
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<i>When it rains,
it's a whole different scene.</i>

83
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<i>Or when there's a blizzard
is the best time.</i>

84
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<i>Things happen.
People forget about you.</i>

85
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<i>If they see you,
they don't go putting on airs.</i>

86
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<i>They're the way they are,</i>

87
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<i>and if they happen to be wearing
what you're photographing,</i>

88
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<i>then you're in business.</i>

89
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He's caught me on a rainy day
jumping puddles,

90
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the same way I did for Avedon,

91
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<i>but...</i>

92
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<i>It was much less painful...</i>

93
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<i>when Bill photographed me,</i>

94
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<i>and much more natural.</i>

95
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He catches you
crossing a street...

96
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with boots and
blue jeans and this,

97
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and he's so happy,

98
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and he's much happier
when you're in this...

99
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<i>looking terrible and ratty,
than he is...</i>

100
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<i>if he saw you in something
incredibly elegant and smart.</i>

101
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<i>That's my poncho.
They're so cheap...</i>

102
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that you wear them once or twice,
and then they start tearing.

103
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First at the neck, immediately.

104
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Well, why buy a new one?
It's only gonna tear anyway.

105
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So you repair the old one.

106
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Damn you, New Yorkers.
You're all so extravagant and wasteful.

107
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But I don't believe in one wear.

108
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So a little tape.
And we're back in business.

109
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I know this embarrasses everyone.

110
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It doesn't embarrass me.

111
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I think everyone
that knows Bill...

112
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and understands who he is
and what he represents...

113
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will always be thrilled
to be photographed by Bill.

114
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I mean, I've said many times
that we all get dressed for Bill.

115
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Anna! Anna!

116
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Anna, right here, please?

117
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Anna, right here.
Can you stop for a moment?

118
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- She stopped for you.
- She stopped for Bill.

119
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<i>He's sort of
been documenting me for...</i>

120
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<i>Since I was a kid, like in my...
19, 20 years old,</i>

121
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<i>and it's one snap, two snaps,</i>

122
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or he ignores you,
which is death, you know?

123
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But he's always doing it
because he has a point of view.

124
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He'd take my picture
whenever he saw me.

125
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<i>Sometimes it got into the Times,
and most often not.</i>

126
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And then little by little,
he began to photograph me more.

127
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I would come into a place.
And he would say, "Oh, thank God you're here."

128
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Every...
Oh, I guess you can't say that.

129
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<i>But he used to say, "Everybody here looks so boring.
Everybody looks alike. "</i>

130
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<i>See, a lot of people have taste.</i>

131
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But they don't have
the daring to be creative.

132
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<i>Here we are in an age
of the cookie-cutter sameness.</i>

133
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<i>There are few that are rarities.</i>

134
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<i>Someone that doesn't look
like they were stamped out of...</i>

135
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ten million other people
looking all the same.

136
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At the U.N.,
my friends used to...

137
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Colleagues used to call me
the designing diplomat...

138
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because during the day,
I wore my U.N. Suit,

139
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which was very conservative,
but in the evenings,

140
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<i>I'd go out to Studio 54.</i>

141
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<i>That's when Bill photographed me
for the first time.</i>

142
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I wish I could find the picture.

143
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<i>The first picture he ever took of
me in the New York Times.</i>

144
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I used to have this coat
with a big hood...

145
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<i>and it was a Hudson Bay blanket,
so it was all, like, bright striped,</i>

146
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<i>and I used to wear them with,
like, little hot-pink ankle boots.</i>

147
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<i>That's how I met him.
He used to run after me on the street.</i>

148
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<i>He's like a war photographer in
that he'll do anything for the shot.</i>

149
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<i>I've been in deep conversations
with him...</i>

150
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<i>where he just will, like, run from
me 'cause he sees somebody.</i>

151
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<i>So, I mean, he sees something that's
amazing, he has to go shoot it.</i>

152
00:09:05,913 --> 00:09:09,349
<i>I sometimes will look at his pages
in the Times or online,</i>

153
00:09:09,449 --> 00:09:12,907
and just be so amazed that he and I...

154
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and all my team and all
the rest of the world...

155
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we're all sitting
in the same fashion shows...

156
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but he's seen something
on the street or on the runway...

157
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that completely missed all of us,

158
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and in six months' time, you know,
that will be a trend.

159
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Hold that right there.

160
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<i>You have to do three things.</i>

161
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<i>You don't get the most
information from any one.</i>

162
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<i>You have to photograph
the collections.</i>

163
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<i>You have to photograph
the women on the street...</i>

164
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<i>who have bought the things
and how they're wearing them.</i>

165
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<i>And then you have to go
to the evening events.</i>

166
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<i>You can't report to the public
unless you've seen it all.</i>

167
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<i>People just go off
and say what they think.</i>

168
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<i>Well, it isn't really what I think.</i>

169
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<i>It's what I see.</i>

170
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<i>It doesn't
happen like in a day or an hour.</i>

171
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I go out and that's it.

172
00:10:01,101 --> 00:10:03,763
I run around and photograph
all people with holes in their sneakers.

173
00:10:03,870 --> 00:10:04,962
It's not that at all.

174
00:10:05,072 --> 00:10:07,040
Suddenly I see something,
then I see it again,

175
00:10:07,140 --> 00:10:10,337
and I think, "Ah, there's an idea,"
and other times I'll see it and I'll think,

176
00:10:10,444 --> 00:10:12,776
"Wow, that's an idea,"
and then I'll look for it.

177
00:10:12,879 --> 00:10:16,747
<i>But I'll be doing ten other ideas
all at once, you see.</i>

178
00:10:37,638 --> 00:10:39,538
They make the best sandwich.

179
00:10:43,076 --> 00:10:47,445
And coffee... three dollars.
The cheaper the better, you know?

180
00:10:47,547 --> 00:10:50,948
<i>The coffee at the Times,
l... I... It's so... ugh.</i>

181
00:11:11,304 --> 00:11:14,705
My cord kept coming out of the
camera last night. Oh, yeah?

182
00:11:14,808 --> 00:11:16,742
So I've been worried sick.

183
00:11:17,844 --> 00:11:20,472
But I got something,
any rate, on that roll.

184
00:11:20,580 --> 00:11:22,343
We'll see about the others.

185
00:11:30,290 --> 00:11:32,349
<i>Do you know
anything about his personal life?</i>

186
00:11:32,459 --> 00:11:33,892
Nothing.
Nothing.

187
00:11:33,994 --> 00:11:35,359
Absolutely nothing.

188
00:11:39,132 --> 00:11:41,862
<i>I don't think anybody
gets to know him very well, do they?</i>

189
00:11:41,968 --> 00:11:46,598
I have the feeling that he doesn't sit down
to talk to people too much.

190
00:11:49,643 --> 00:11:51,873
<i>I have no
idea about his private life.</i>

191
00:11:51,978 --> 00:11:56,074
I have no idea if he's lonely. I have no idea...
Where does he eat dinner every night?

192
00:11:56,183 --> 00:11:58,208
You have no id...
I mean, I don't.

193
00:11:58,318 --> 00:12:00,582
<i>I wonder, you know,
what he does do.</i>

194
00:12:23,410 --> 00:12:25,935
<i>For all the years
that I've known Bill,</i>

195
00:12:26,046 --> 00:12:27,638
<i>he's lived at Carnegie Hall...</i>

196
00:12:27,748 --> 00:12:30,876
in a tiny, tiny room.

197
00:12:30,984 --> 00:12:34,511
You know, I once went to his studio.
Have you been there? Oh, my God.

198
00:12:34,621 --> 00:12:36,486
When I saw that,
I was just, like, wow.

199
00:12:37,758 --> 00:12:41,057
<i>File cabinets,
file cabinets, file cabinets.</i>

200
00:12:41,161 --> 00:12:43,823
<i>He has negatives
of every picture he's ever taken.</i>

201
00:12:47,334 --> 00:12:49,359
That's my filing system.

202
00:12:50,804 --> 00:12:51,771
Okay.

203
00:12:54,541 --> 00:12:56,031
And this is my clothes closet.

204
00:12:59,713 --> 00:13:01,146
Does he still sleep on the cabinets?

205
00:13:01,248 --> 00:13:03,978
<i>It's just like it was
just all a little room...</i>

206
00:13:04,084 --> 00:13:06,609
<i>with all these file cabinets
and negatives,</i>

207
00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,917
<i>and that was probably
30 years ago.</i>

208
00:13:10,023 --> 00:13:12,958
I know that the bathroom
was in the hall.

209
00:13:20,300 --> 00:13:21,995
Editta?

210
00:13:22,102 --> 00:13:24,593
Come in.

211
00:13:24,704 --> 00:13:26,296
I've been here 60 years.

212
00:13:26,406 --> 00:13:28,533
Carnegie Hall.

213
00:13:28,642 --> 00:13:30,041
And I'm
he only one here...

214
00:13:30,143 --> 00:13:33,203
except Bill on this floor,
you know.

215
00:13:33,313 --> 00:13:35,008
I've done...
This is fabulous.

216
00:13:35,115 --> 00:13:37,640
All the stars of Hollywood.

217
00:13:37,751 --> 00:13:39,184
Yes.
Well, I'm very famous.

218
00:13:39,286 --> 00:13:41,311
Look at the people I've done. Look.

219
00:13:41,421 --> 00:13:44,857
Tyrone Power,
Henry Fonda, Mary Martin.

220
00:13:44,958 --> 00:13:46,391
Let's see.

221
00:13:46,493 --> 00:13:48,120
Andy Warhol here.

222
00:13:48,228 --> 00:13:50,992
You can't photograph that.

223
00:13:51,097 --> 00:13:52,325
Just you.

224
00:13:52,432 --> 00:13:54,024
Not this. Not Andy.

225
00:13:54,134 --> 00:13:56,193
Why not?
Because not.

226
00:13:56,303 --> 00:13:59,739
What do you mean you can't
photograph Andy Warhol?

227
00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:00,898
Who are you kidding?

228
00:14:01,007 --> 00:14:03,134
What do you mean?
That's what he was all about.

229
00:14:03,243 --> 00:14:05,006
What?
Being photographed.

230
00:14:05,111 --> 00:14:07,204
I just sold two to China.

231
00:14:07,314 --> 00:14:11,080
This is, uh, Bernstein,

232
00:14:11,184 --> 00:14:14,051
and he lived here in Carnegie Hall.

233
00:14:14,154 --> 00:14:16,019
June Carter.

234
00:14:16,122 --> 00:14:17,419
See, this is, uh...

235
00:14:17,524 --> 00:14:19,219
You know who she is.

236
00:14:19,326 --> 00:14:20,953
Oh, Tilda Swinton?
Yes!

237
00:14:21,061 --> 00:14:22,358
Tilda Swinton.
Swinton.

238
00:14:22,462 --> 00:14:25,363
Isn't that nice? Mm-hmm.

239
00:14:25,465 --> 00:14:26,830
<i>I was here 60 years.</i>

240
00:14:26,933 --> 00:14:30,334
<i>I'm...
I'm really a, uh, a legend now.</i>

241
00:14:30,437 --> 00:14:31,768
A legend or a fixture?

242
00:14:31,872 --> 00:14:33,840
Well, I'm both,
you know what I mean?

243
00:14:36,209 --> 00:14:37,938
Does Bill live next door?

244
00:14:38,044 --> 00:14:39,978
He's down on the corner.

245
00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,605
He's got a tiny little place, yeah.

246
00:14:42,716 --> 00:14:44,183
It's nothing.

247
00:14:44,284 --> 00:14:47,617
By the way,
this is Lesley Vinson,

248
00:14:47,721 --> 00:14:52,249
<i>and Lesley was the art director
of Details Magazine.</i>

249
00:14:52,359 --> 00:14:54,793
<i>The original Details
with Annie Flanders.</i>

250
00:14:54,895 --> 00:14:56,328
We worked well together.

251
00:14:56,429 --> 00:15:00,160
She took me on and didn't mind
how many changes I made...

252
00:15:00,267 --> 00:15:02,394
or how many pictures
I wanted to put in.

253
00:15:02,502 --> 00:15:04,868
The most extraordinary
art director.

254
00:15:04,971 --> 00:15:06,802
Incredible. Um...

255
00:15:06,907 --> 00:15:08,932
The love of Bill's life,
I think.

256
00:15:09,175 --> 00:15:16,581
<i>Details got started
on the ides of March 1982.</i>

257
00:15:16,683 --> 00:15:18,742
The reason I remember that date...

258
00:15:18,852 --> 00:15:22,253
<i>was it was the date that the SoHo
News went out of business.</i>

259
00:15:22,355 --> 00:15:26,416
<i>The vision that I had for Details
was really a continuation...</i>

260
00:15:26,526 --> 00:15:29,757
<i>of what I had been doing
at SoHo News,</i>

261
00:15:29,863 --> 00:15:34,527
<i>discovering people and giving them
their first opportunity to be in print.</i>

262
00:15:34,634 --> 00:15:38,968
<i>The reason Annie founded
the magazine was to give a platform...</i>

263
00:15:39,072 --> 00:15:43,168
<i>to the downtown,
independent, small designers,</i>

264
00:15:43,276 --> 00:15:46,803
<i>who no one else would pay attention
to until they were successful...</i>

265
00:15:46,913 --> 00:15:49,473
<i>and then steal them from Annie.</i>

266
00:15:49,582 --> 00:15:53,040
<i>Oh, Annie was the Earth mother
of downtown.</i>

267
00:15:53,153 --> 00:15:56,987
<i>I don't know if that's
what you called it. Oh, definitely.</i>

268
00:15:57,090 --> 00:15:59,320
Annie would just give Bill like...
Here's a hundred pages,

269
00:15:59,426 --> 00:16:02,657
<i>and Bill flourished with Annie
more than ever anywhere.</i>

270
00:16:02,762 --> 00:16:07,096
<i>It was like she almost gave him his own little
mini magazine just to do it however he wanted.</i>

271
00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,760
He'd work all day,
and he'd come up at night,

272
00:16:09,869 --> 00:16:12,702
and our sessions usually lasted
till about 4:00 in the morning.

273
00:16:12,806 --> 00:16:15,036
I worked for the Establishment
during the day,

274
00:16:15,141 --> 00:16:20,306
<i>so I was like a bird getting out
of a cage, and I'd go down there.</i>

275
00:16:20,413 --> 00:16:21,971
<i>It was marvelous.</i>

276
00:16:44,537 --> 00:16:47,938
<i>I would come after my job
at the Times,</i>

277
00:16:48,041 --> 00:16:52,137
<i>and we would lay this out,
and then I'd go home about 2:00.</i>

278
00:16:52,245 --> 00:16:54,907
Biked back from SoHo
where we were.

279
00:16:55,015 --> 00:16:58,348
<i>I think one Details
Magazine, it was Fall Special...</i>

280
00:16:58,451 --> 00:17:01,579
<i>125 pages of Bill Cunningham.</i>

281
00:17:01,688 --> 00:17:03,383
A hundred pages?

282
00:17:03,490 --> 00:17:05,617
Ninety-nine.
Ninety-nine pages.

283
00:17:05,725 --> 00:17:07,716
We just...
We never thought of it.

284
00:17:07,827 --> 00:17:11,763
We just went on and did what we wanted
till we had said what we wanted to say.

285
00:17:11,865 --> 00:17:13,992
111 pages.
111 pages.

286
00:17:14,100 --> 00:17:17,763
Here what I did was I blew up
the embroidery of the coat,

287
00:17:17,871 --> 00:17:19,338
and we put it on the pages,

288
00:17:19,439 --> 00:17:21,999
and then put the coat, small,
in the middle of it,

289
00:17:22,108 --> 00:17:23,541
'cause the news was in...

290
00:17:23,643 --> 00:17:26,009
Yeah, the idea was
the big... was this.

291
00:17:26,112 --> 00:17:29,275
'Cause it was like something
out of the Renaissance, you see?

292
00:17:29,382 --> 00:17:32,078
You try to show the reader
what was really new.

293
00:17:32,185 --> 00:17:37,122
Look at this. It's like something
from Paul Poiret, uh, 1910.

294
00:17:37,223 --> 00:17:40,590
Scheherazade,
the Arabian Nights.

295
00:17:40,693 --> 00:17:44,356
Look at the embroidery,
the tassels, the lace.

296
00:17:44,464 --> 00:17:47,228
Now, I mean, can you imagine
the extravagance of these pages?

297
00:17:47,333 --> 00:17:49,130
Annie Flanders never blinked.

298
00:17:49,235 --> 00:17:50,793
You can't say anything, Annie.

299
00:17:50,904 --> 00:17:53,498
I didn't take money,
so I can do what I want.

300
00:17:53,606 --> 00:17:57,770
It's a wonder she didn't say,
"That didn't mean you can bankrupt me."

301
00:17:57,877 --> 00:18:00,437
What I did
from the very first issue...

302
00:18:00,547 --> 00:18:04,074
is I kept a list of how much
Bill would've gotten paid.

303
00:18:04,184 --> 00:18:08,985
Well, the first check I sent him, he came in
the office and ceremoniously ripped it up.

304
00:18:09,089 --> 00:18:11,649
The second check,
he did the same thing.

305
00:18:11,758 --> 00:18:15,717
You see, if you don't take money,
they can't tell you what to do, kid.

306
00:18:15,829 --> 00:18:18,889
That's... That's the key
to the whole thing.

307
00:18:18,998 --> 00:18:20,522
Don't touch money.

308
00:18:20,633 --> 00:18:22,464
It's the worst thing
you can do.

309
00:18:22,569 --> 00:18:24,662
There's a story
about the fact that Bill,

310
00:18:24,771 --> 00:18:27,239
<i>when you sold Details
to Cond� Nast,</i>

311
00:18:27,340 --> 00:18:30,832
Bill refused to cash his check.
Yes.

312
00:18:30,944 --> 00:18:34,471
<i>And Si Newhouse was calling you
like every couple of months...</i>

313
00:18:34,581 --> 00:18:36,742
<i>to say,
"Bill, your check is waiting."</i>

314
00:18:36,850 --> 00:18:38,715
Cond� Nast bought it?
Yes, yes.

315
00:18:38,818 --> 00:18:40,877
Newhouse bought it
a year ago.

316
00:18:40,987 --> 00:18:43,217
Well, Newhouse is
taking the money.

317
00:18:43,323 --> 00:18:45,348
Yeah, but they don't
own me, you see.

318
00:18:45,458 --> 00:18:47,790
They don't own you.

319
00:18:47,894 --> 00:18:49,862
That's the important thing,
never to be owned.

320
00:18:49,963 --> 00:18:52,693
I know they don't own you.
I know they don't own you.

321
00:18:52,799 --> 00:18:54,198
Money's the cheapest thing.

322
00:18:54,300 --> 00:18:56,928
Liberty and freedom
is the most expensive.

323
00:18:58,238 --> 00:19:00,365
No, you know
what I mean, Richard.

324
00:19:00,473 --> 00:19:05,706
So you asked me... about not falling
into the traps of the rich.

325
00:19:07,347 --> 00:19:14,378
I would think it was my first, uh, partner
in my fashion business.

326
00:19:15,555 --> 00:19:17,955
<i>A woman by the name
of Rebekah Harkness,</i>

327
00:19:18,057 --> 00:19:19,888
<i>a very affluent New York family,</i>

328
00:19:19,993 --> 00:19:23,952
<i>and she was looking to invest
in my hat shop and she did.</i>

329
00:19:24,063 --> 00:19:28,500
But then the army came along...
this is 1951...

330
00:19:28,601 --> 00:19:30,091
<i>I was drafted.</i>

331
00:19:30,203 --> 00:19:35,539
<i>Well, they were appalled that I would go,
and their investment would be on hold.</i>

332
00:19:35,642 --> 00:19:36,904
<i>Who knows what would happen?</i>

333
00:19:37,010 --> 00:19:38,375
I was appalled at them.

334
00:19:38,478 --> 00:19:40,639
I thought, "You're drafted.

335
00:19:40,747 --> 00:19:45,548
<i>This is the country where you live,
who you are. You go. "</i>

336
00:19:45,652 --> 00:19:47,813
Well, they couldn't understand that at all.

337
00:19:47,921 --> 00:19:51,220
Course I went in the army.
I wouldn't think otherwise.

338
00:19:51,324 --> 00:19:54,418
They badgered me and they badgered
my family, and finally...

339
00:19:54,527 --> 00:19:57,087
<i>my aunt and uncle,
whom I lived with here in the city,</i>

340
00:19:57,197 --> 00:20:01,190
<i>I think they returned the money
she had invested which... God...</i>

341
00:20:01,301 --> 00:20:03,360
Maybe it was a thousand dollars?

342
00:20:03,469 --> 00:20:05,699
Which was a lot of money then.

343
00:20:05,805 --> 00:20:10,037
To the Harkness family, I don't think
a thousand dollars was a lot of money.

344
00:20:10,143 --> 00:20:12,907
Oh, they tried to have it...
I know what it was...

345
00:20:13,012 --> 00:20:16,140
deducted from my army salary,

346
00:20:16,249 --> 00:20:21,084
which would have taken about ten years,
'cause I don't know what you made...

347
00:20:21,187 --> 00:20:24,645
You got paid maybe $90 a month
or something like that.

348
00:20:24,757 --> 00:20:26,782
Some stupidity.

349
00:20:26,893 --> 00:20:28,656
So my family paid it off,

350
00:20:28,761 --> 00:20:31,730
and then when I got out of the army,
I paid my family back.

351
00:21:07,467 --> 00:21:08,957
Don't take a picture of us.

352
00:21:09,068 --> 00:21:11,229
I'll break that
fucking camera over your head.

353
00:21:18,177 --> 00:21:19,769
Yeah, he wanted...
he wanted me...

354
00:21:19,879 --> 00:21:21,744
to come up
and meet my replacement.

355
00:21:21,848 --> 00:21:23,338
Your replacement.
Your...

356
00:21:23,449 --> 00:21:25,178
Yes, you passed
on the torch to me.

357
00:21:25,285 --> 00:21:26,411
You're just a trophy wife.

358
00:21:26,519 --> 00:21:27,952
I was always there
at the beginning.

359
00:21:28,054 --> 00:21:29,954
I've showed her
some of your layouts.

360
00:21:30,056 --> 00:21:32,752
Oh, you teaching, uh...
Uh, I don't teach.

361
00:21:32,859 --> 00:21:35,123
Muffin or is she teaching you?
She's teaching me.

362
00:21:35,228 --> 00:21:37,788
Now, see, you made those
too big, those flowers.

363
00:21:37,897 --> 00:21:40,127
What flowers?
See, that's... that's too big.

364
00:21:40,233 --> 00:21:41,700
Where's the love today, Bill?

365
00:21:41,801 --> 00:21:44,269
Love? Just get the page done.
Show 'em where the love is, Bill.

366
00:21:44,370 --> 00:21:46,702
Show 'em where the love is, right?
Just get the page done.

367
00:21:46,806 --> 00:21:49,297
Winchester.
Winchester.

368
00:21:49,409 --> 00:21:52,469
And he means the gun
off the back shelf of the pickup truck.

369
00:21:52,578 --> 00:21:54,876
John, let me see this one here.

370
00:21:54,981 --> 00:21:58,849
Put your favorite up here.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

371
00:21:58,951 --> 00:22:00,919
You see, it's a little
short coat in here.

372
00:22:01,020 --> 00:22:02,112
Don't encourage him.

373
00:22:02,221 --> 00:22:04,121
The good thing is he can't
hear me talking about him.

374
00:22:04,223 --> 00:22:05,884
Maybe 190.
I don't know what it was.

375
00:22:05,992 --> 00:22:08,620
Then all of a sudden,
when I don't think he can hear me,

376
00:22:08,728 --> 00:22:10,286
he hears me perfectly well.
What?

377
00:22:10,396 --> 00:22:12,591
Bill's fingerprints are all over
everything he does,

378
00:22:12,699 --> 00:22:17,466
'cause he's never ever, ever sold out
one inch of anything.

379
00:22:17,570 --> 00:22:20,164
When the hat business
was sort of sloughing off,

380
00:22:20,273 --> 00:22:22,867
<i>he was working
for Women's Wear Daily as a...</i>

381
00:22:22,975 --> 00:22:24,806
Writing a millinery column.

382
00:22:24,911 --> 00:22:28,813
<i>Part of his falling out with
Women's Wear Daily...</i>

383
00:22:28,915 --> 00:22:30,473
hadn't to do
with anything really big.

384
00:22:30,583 --> 00:22:32,744
It had to do with this
ethical issue for him,

385
00:22:32,852 --> 00:22:37,915
which was that many of his photographs
were being used for an "In and Out" list,

386
00:22:38,024 --> 00:22:43,052
and his feeling is that
it's all equally in.

387
00:22:43,162 --> 00:22:44,993
That's the reason he's documenting it.

388
00:22:45,098 --> 00:22:47,259
He's incredibly kind.

389
00:22:47,367 --> 00:22:51,326
I don't think we've ever seen
a cruel picture done by Bill,

390
00:22:51,437 --> 00:22:57,342
and certainly he's had an opportunity
to really have done it.

391
00:22:57,443 --> 00:22:59,673
He's chosen never to do it.

392
00:22:59,779 --> 00:23:01,542
<i>He was still working
at Women's Wear,</i>

393
00:23:01,647 --> 00:23:05,083
<i>and he did a piece
on women on the street...</i>

394
00:23:05,184 --> 00:23:08,278
<i>in the same clothes
as the models on the runway.</i>

395
00:23:08,388 --> 00:23:12,324
<i>It was about how incredible women
had their own style...</i>

396
00:23:12,425 --> 00:23:14,916
<i>and what they could do
with the clothes, side by side...</i>

397
00:23:15,027 --> 00:23:17,188
<i>with what the designers did
on the runway,</i>

398
00:23:17,296 --> 00:23:21,960
and they changed his copy
to make fun of the women.

399
00:23:22,068 --> 00:23:27,005
This idea of a valuation of one person
over another, or one image over another,

400
00:23:27,106 --> 00:23:29,802
was not something
that he really subscribes to as a person.

401
00:23:29,909 --> 00:23:32,002
He was so beyond upset.

402
00:23:32,111 --> 00:23:36,047
It was so sad and it...

403
00:23:36,149 --> 00:23:37,946
He didn't think he'd ever get over it,

404
00:23:38,050 --> 00:23:40,883
because he was
so embarrassed and upset...

405
00:23:40,987 --> 00:23:44,548
and really cared about the women
that he had put in this...

406
00:23:44,657 --> 00:23:46,989
in this and what happened.

407
00:23:47,093 --> 00:23:49,721
<i>That was the end of his career
at Women's Wear Daily.</i>

408
00:23:49,829 --> 00:23:52,024
Yeah, she's lovely.

409
00:23:53,499 --> 00:23:55,694
Jesus, what'd she...
Just get a garbage bag?

410
00:23:55,802 --> 00:24:00,068
Rubbish bag. Looks like she's
in a rose, a black rose.

411
00:24:00,173 --> 00:24:01,970
It's a garbage bag.

412
00:24:02,074 --> 00:24:03,974
What the hell
you talking about a rose?

413
00:24:04,076 --> 00:24:06,510
What would you people
from southern New Jersey know?

414
00:24:06,612 --> 00:24:08,910
Oh-ho.
Beautiful woman.

415
00:24:09,015 --> 00:24:11,108
These two are exquisite. Look at them.

416
00:24:11,217 --> 00:24:13,549
<i>It's really
hard to describe oneself...</i>

417
00:24:13,653 --> 00:24:16,986
<i>because I think one lives very often
in other people's visions.</i>

418
00:24:17,089 --> 00:24:22,117
I see myself as the world's oldest living
teenager 'cause I have such a good time,

419
00:24:22,228 --> 00:24:25,823
and I try to get as much kick
out of things as possible.

420
00:24:25,932 --> 00:24:29,424
I have all my little animals, who,
by the way, are very jealous of me,

421
00:24:29,535 --> 00:24:32,527
and so I have to give them jewelry...
otherwise they bite.

422
00:24:32,638 --> 00:24:37,075
I always heard growing up that
Joan Crawford said that...

423
00:24:37,176 --> 00:24:39,906
whenever she went out,
she had to go out as Joan Crawford.

424
00:24:40,012 --> 00:24:43,641
So I took that to heart, and whenever I
go out, I have to be Patrick McDonald.

425
00:24:43,749 --> 00:24:46,912
I have to be the dandy,
and I would never go out...

426
00:24:47,019 --> 00:24:49,920
without my beauty mark,
my eyebrows, my hat.

427
00:24:50,022 --> 00:24:51,387
I would never do that.

428
00:24:51,491 --> 00:24:52,788
We're all canvases.

429
00:24:52,892 --> 00:24:56,726
We're all blank canvases when we get up
in the morning, and we paint ourselves.

430
00:24:56,829 --> 00:24:58,694
<i>Sometimes we're surreal.</i>

431
00:24:58,798 --> 00:25:01,790
<i>Sometimes we're impressionistic.
Sometimes we're modern.</i>

432
00:25:01,901 --> 00:25:03,801
<i>It... It just depends on the day.</i>

433
00:25:03,903 --> 00:25:09,136
This is my, uh,
alphabet outfit, and,

434
00:25:09,242 --> 00:25:13,474
this is another of,
uh, my... my clothing...

435
00:25:13,579 --> 00:25:17,140
that appeared in "On the Street"
column of Bill Cunningham.

436
00:25:17,250 --> 00:25:19,081
I call it "Awning Stripes."

437
00:25:19,185 --> 00:25:21,585
A Scottish plaid outfit.

438
00:25:21,687 --> 00:25:24,247
I don't know which clan
it belongs to.

439
00:25:24,357 --> 00:25:29,761
When I wear this outfit, people smile, and
it kind of cheers them up a little bit.

440
00:25:29,862 --> 00:25:33,730
This is one of my other
lollipop salesman's outfit.

441
00:25:33,833 --> 00:25:36,700
A combination of different plaids
from Scotland.

442
00:25:40,373 --> 00:25:44,275
This used to be
my old sofa, the jacket,

443
00:25:44,377 --> 00:25:47,437
and my pants was...
used to be my ottoman.

444
00:25:47,547 --> 00:25:51,950
These are, uh, the issues
from my appearances...

445
00:25:52,051 --> 00:25:54,679
in Bill Cunningham's
"On the Street" column.

446
00:25:54,787 --> 00:26:01,351
They're laminated so that this will
preserve it for, uh, my grandchildren.

447
00:26:01,460 --> 00:26:04,623
Put this one
in the upper right-hand corner.

448
00:26:04,730 --> 00:26:06,425
Give me these two together.

449
00:26:06,532 --> 00:26:07,897
Lap them together.
Together.

450
00:26:09,869 --> 00:26:12,633
Uh, put the dog back where
the cab is for the minute.

451
00:26:12,738 --> 00:26:15,229
Let me see them again, John.

452
00:26:15,341 --> 00:26:16,865
Now don't get angry.

453
00:26:16,976 --> 00:26:18,341
Jiggle the mouse.

454
00:26:18,444 --> 00:26:20,639
I'm going to jiggle you
right out that damn window.

455
00:26:20,746 --> 00:26:23,271
Why don't you go get your film,
so I can straighten this out?

456
00:26:23,382 --> 00:26:26,317
No, I will. Put it back.
As soon as I get exactly what I want.

457
00:26:26,419 --> 00:26:29,252
Oh, Jesus, give me
strength to deal with you today.

458
00:26:29,355 --> 00:26:33,985
Oh, and we gotta leave room for that damn
three or four lines Web site, some nonsense.

459
00:26:34,093 --> 00:26:37,961
<i>Look at now. They've got the audio
thing going at the Times,</i>

460
00:26:38,064 --> 00:26:41,556
which they pushed me into, and they said,
"Well, a lot of people don't read the paper."

461
00:26:41,667 --> 00:26:44,727
<i>I said, "Okay, I'll do it.
Where do we do it?"</i>

462
00:26:49,976 --> 00:26:51,841
Oh, no, no, no, no, no.

463
00:26:51,944 --> 00:26:53,502
This is...
He's getting in a zone.

464
00:26:53,613 --> 00:26:57,140
<i>I just go in the room and
say what's on my mind and that's it.</i>

465
00:26:57,249 --> 00:26:58,511
<i>It's done in five minutes.</i>

466
00:26:58,618 --> 00:27:00,381
Okay. Yeah.

467
00:27:00,486 --> 00:27:04,081
Uh, this is Bill Cunningham,
and "On the Street" this week...

468
00:27:04,190 --> 00:27:08,251
<i>... there's no question
black is the story this week.</i>

469
00:27:08,361 --> 00:27:13,924
<i>Here we are, the first week in August, and
the New Yorkers are all in black clothes.</i>

470
00:27:14,033 --> 00:27:19,061
<i>This is Bill Cunningham, and "On the
Street"this week is a very interesting...</i>

471
00:27:19,171 --> 00:27:21,537
<i>Isn't it always?
But it really is.</i>

472
00:27:21,641 --> 00:27:24,235
<i>The picture frame collar.</i>

473
00:27:24,343 --> 00:27:29,975
<i>There was the most popular T-shirt this
summer was printed with multiple sunglasses.</i>

474
00:27:30,082 --> 00:27:34,109
<i>There's no reason to be doom and gloom
and think that fashion is finished.</i>

475
00:27:34,220 --> 00:27:36,620
<i>Just reach back into your closet...</i>

476
00:27:36,722 --> 00:27:38,622
<i>I call it "the thin man."</i>

477
00:27:38,724 --> 00:27:41,090
<i>It's a serious way of dressing.</i>

478
00:27:41,193 --> 00:27:45,459
<i>They've got something going here,
and I thought it was serious enough...</i>

479
00:27:45,564 --> 00:27:47,361
for you to take a look at.

480
00:27:47,466 --> 00:27:49,866
Thank you very much,
and I hope you enjoy it.

481
00:28:00,246 --> 00:28:01,645
Hmm.

482
00:28:01,747 --> 00:28:04,910
Okay, move it all over and take this woman
and put her in the corner.

483
00:28:05,017 --> 00:28:06,416
Yeah, that's nice.

484
00:28:06,519 --> 00:28:07,747
I think it's all right.

485
00:28:07,853 --> 00:28:09,047
That's not bad.

486
00:28:09,155 --> 00:28:11,055
You want me to order
your lunch today?

487
00:28:11,157 --> 00:28:13,717
I beg pardon?
Do you want me to order you in lunch?

488
00:28:13,826 --> 00:28:15,953
Oh. Lunch.
No. Soup, you know.

489
00:28:16,062 --> 00:28:17,359
I'm not thinking about lunch.

490
00:28:17,463 --> 00:28:18,794
No. I know what we need.

491
00:28:18,898 --> 00:28:21,560
What? Yeah. It's all right.
No, leave everything alone.

492
00:28:21,667 --> 00:28:26,366
Uh, put her here,
and put her over here.

493
00:28:26,472 --> 00:28:28,702
Yes. There it is. You got it.

494
00:28:28,808 --> 00:28:32,539
See, the hair, the same gesture,
the wind. Wonderful.

495
00:28:32,645 --> 00:28:37,014
If you examine his pictures,
he always is focused on some detail...

496
00:28:37,116 --> 00:28:43,055
or some narrative or conceptual thing
that he's documenting.

497
00:28:45,124 --> 00:28:47,422
Do you like
that we're dressed alike, Bill?

498
00:28:47,526 --> 00:28:49,858
I said, do you like it that
we're dressed alike? Mm-hmm.

499
00:28:49,962 --> 00:28:51,930
We've been hanging around
with each other for 60 years.

500
00:28:52,031 --> 00:28:54,090
That's great.
We went to high school together.

501
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,168
That's great. Yeah. Terrific.

502
00:28:56,268 --> 00:28:57,394
And we never
had a fight.

503
00:28:57,503 --> 00:28:59,130
Oh, good.
That's better.

504
00:28:59,238 --> 00:29:01,798
That's better.
There's enough people fighting.

505
00:29:01,907 --> 00:29:04,876
Watch these
crazy cabdrivers.

506
00:29:04,977 --> 00:29:06,205
Okay, good-bye.

507
00:29:18,724 --> 00:29:23,024
<i>So his photographs,
rather than just paparazzi shots,</i>

508
00:29:23,129 --> 00:29:29,295
<i>are really evidence of what fashion is
at any given moment in the world.</i>

509
00:29:30,903 --> 00:29:36,341
<i>His archive is really not just
an encapsulation of fashion,</i>

510
00:29:36,442 --> 00:29:37,875
<i>but of New York life,</i>

511
00:29:37,977 --> 00:29:40,775
<i>and I think it's wonderful
for fashion historians...</i>

512
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,404
<i>that this did happen...</i>

513
00:29:42,515 --> 00:29:44,949
<i>That there was this
one individual...</i>

514
00:29:45,050 --> 00:29:46,745
<i>who was willing
to dedicate his life...</i>

515
00:29:46,852 --> 00:29:49,616
<i>to this fascinating
manifestation of culture.</i>

516
00:30:16,849 --> 00:30:18,510
<i>It's not photography.</i>

517
00:30:18,617 --> 00:30:22,018
<i>I mean, any real photographer
would say he's a fraud.</i>

518
00:30:22,121 --> 00:30:23,213
<i>Well, they're right.</i>

519
00:30:23,322 --> 00:30:27,588
<i>I'm just about capturing what I see
and documenting what I see.</i>

520
00:30:27,693 --> 00:30:28,921
Ah!

521
00:30:30,462 --> 00:30:34,330
I mean, is he Horst?
Put a bunch of flowers in front of you?

522
00:30:34,433 --> 00:30:38,130
No. He's not that,
but that's not what he wants to be.

523
00:30:38,237 --> 00:30:40,637
<i>I think he photographs life.</i>

524
00:30:46,545 --> 00:30:52,916
<i>The parallel between the
emerging japanese designers in the early '80s...</i>

525
00:30:53,018 --> 00:30:54,645
<i>and the bag people in New York...</i>

526
00:30:54,753 --> 00:30:57,153
was startling, astonishing.

527
00:30:57,256 --> 00:31:00,191
No one would talk about it
or even show the pictures.

528
00:31:00,292 --> 00:31:02,954
And as time went on,

529
00:31:03,062 --> 00:31:05,826
the Japanese woman
Rei Kawakubo admitted...

530
00:31:05,931 --> 00:31:07,558
<i>that her inspiration...</i>

531
00:31:07,666 --> 00:31:10,601
<i>That when someone said, "Who do you
think are the best-dressed women?"</i>

532
00:31:10,703 --> 00:31:12,534
<i>And she said,
"The bag women in New York."</i>

533
00:31:12,638 --> 00:31:15,368
<i>Now whether she was being facetious
or cynical...</i>

534
00:31:15,474 --> 00:31:18,966
or a real artist and saying
what she really thought,

535
00:31:19,078 --> 00:31:23,447
you know, we're too close
to a very touchy subject.

536
00:31:23,549 --> 00:31:25,949
But as a historian, uh,

537
00:31:26,051 --> 00:31:31,045
what we see in New York
in the 1980s in some areas...

538
00:31:31,156 --> 00:31:34,489
is close to medieval Europe.

539
00:31:34,593 --> 00:31:38,256
The shapes, I mean, of these people.

540
00:31:50,409 --> 00:31:52,468
Didn't someone
give you your first camera?

541
00:31:52,578 --> 00:31:58,278
David Montgomery, an American photographer
who lived and worked in London.

542
00:31:58,384 --> 00:32:02,411
<i>We were there at his home with
his wife and all for dinner one night.</i>

543
00:32:02,521 --> 00:32:07,720
I said, "Gee, do you have an assistant
who could take a picture for me tomorrow?"

544
00:32:07,826 --> 00:32:09,691
Some fashion shop, I mentioned.

545
00:32:09,795 --> 00:32:14,061
And... Yes,
he sent one of his assistants out.

546
00:32:14,166 --> 00:32:17,192
And then when he came to New York
about three months later,

547
00:32:17,303 --> 00:32:19,032
he said,
"Here, I brought you something."

548
00:32:19,138 --> 00:32:23,438
He said, "Use it like a pen,
like you take notes.

549
00:32:23,542 --> 00:32:24,975
Do it with a camera."

550
00:32:25,077 --> 00:32:28,672
<i>A little Olympus half-frame.
They were $39,</i>

551
00:32:28,781 --> 00:32:33,309
and you got 72 pictures
to a 36 roll of...

552
00:32:33,419 --> 00:32:37,321
Frame roll of film
so I liked that even better.

553
00:32:37,423 --> 00:32:40,586
One of the interesting
things about street style...

554
00:32:40,693 --> 00:32:44,129
is that it emerged
at the same point...

555
00:32:44,229 --> 00:32:48,427
that, um, Bill got a camera.

556
00:32:49,535 --> 00:32:54,268
And by street style, I'm talking about fashions
that really did emerge from the street.

557
00:32:54,373 --> 00:32:58,810
There was always a sense
of a kind of quotidian world...

558
00:32:58,911 --> 00:33:03,871
<i>that one sees in photographs that were done
at the turn of the century, for example,</i>

559
00:33:03,983 --> 00:33:08,010
<i>by the Seeberger brothers, or different
people who were documenting the bon monde,</i>

560
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:14,457
but it wasn't really street style in that it
wasn't, theoretically, "ordinary" people,

561
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:19,156
<i>going about their business
dressed in fascinating ways.</i>

562
00:33:19,264 --> 00:33:25,134
<i>That really begins to happen in the 1960s,
and that is the moment which Bill begins.</i>

563
00:33:25,237 --> 00:33:26,795
<i>On an Easter Sunday,</i>

564
00:33:26,905 --> 00:33:29,897
I came back here to get film,

565
00:33:30,009 --> 00:33:31,977
and the phone rang
and I picked it up,

566
00:33:32,077 --> 00:33:39,950
<i>and it was the Times fashion critic and editorial
writer Charlotte Curtis, who I knew very well.</i>

567
00:33:40,052 --> 00:33:45,490
And she said, "Bill, grab your cameras and get
up to the Sheep Meadow as quick as you can.

568
00:33:45,591 --> 00:33:47,081
They're having a be-in."

569
00:33:47,192 --> 00:33:48,853
What the hell is a be-in?

570
00:33:48,961 --> 00:33:52,419
<i>I jumped on my bike
and went up to the Sheep Meadow,</i>

571
00:33:52,531 --> 00:33:55,762
<i>and there were thousands of kids.</i>

572
00:33:55,868 --> 00:34:00,862
Oh! I mean, you just never saw
anything like it.

573
00:34:00,973 --> 00:34:06,570
<i>All the flower children,
the hippies, everything,</i>

574
00:34:06,678 --> 00:34:09,010
<i>All up there,
and it was a lovely day,</i>

575
00:34:09,114 --> 00:34:12,777
and they were lying on the grass
or the dirt or whatever it was,

576
00:34:12,885 --> 00:34:15,285
and they were dressed.

577
00:34:15,387 --> 00:34:16,854
It was marvelous,

578
00:34:16,955 --> 00:34:18,650
<i>and that really did me in.</i>

579
00:34:18,757 --> 00:34:20,782
<i>From then on, that was it, kid.</i>

580
00:34:20,893 --> 00:34:22,520
<i>My Sundays and Saturdays...</i>

581
00:34:22,628 --> 00:34:27,088
<i>Saturdays down in SoHo, and Sundays up in the park...
were completely taken.</i>

582
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:28,257
<i>That was it.</i>

583
00:34:28,367 --> 00:34:35,739
Course, as Antonio said, "Yep, and you
photographed everything in black and white,

584
00:34:35,841 --> 00:34:37,934
and it was all about color."

585
00:34:40,012 --> 00:34:45,575
Course he was right, but I couldn't
afford color film and developing...

586
00:34:45,684 --> 00:34:47,982
so it's in black and white.

587
00:34:49,455 --> 00:34:51,923
Oh, boy. Someday,
it's all gonna fall down on me.

588
00:34:52,024 --> 00:34:54,424
I know. I don't even
want to think about that. My God.

589
00:34:54,526 --> 00:34:58,622
If I disappear under a bunch of books,
you'll know what...

590
00:34:58,730 --> 00:34:59,924
They're all fashion books.

591
00:35:00,032 --> 00:35:02,159
Imagine me having to move
the end of June?

592
00:35:02,267 --> 00:35:06,636
I thought it was just open-end.
That at some time, people would have to move out of here.

593
00:35:06,738 --> 00:35:10,174
Is there a specific date when you have to leave?
Yeah, June 30th. So they say.

594
00:35:10,275 --> 00:35:12,766
Bill, that's like in two
or three months. Hmm?

595
00:35:12,878 --> 00:35:17,338
<i>The battle against a plan to evict artists
who live and work at Carnegie Hall...</i>

596
00:35:17,449 --> 00:35:19,917
<i>was taken to the steps
of city hall today.</i>

597
00:35:20,018 --> 00:35:24,114
<i>Over the years, the studios have seen the likes
of Marlon Brando and Leonard Bernstein.</i>

598
00:35:24,223 --> 00:35:28,421
<i>Now the remaining tenants at Carnegie
Hall are turning to the mayor for help.</i>

599
00:35:28,527 --> 00:35:30,620
<i>CBS 2's Andrew Kirtzman reports.</i>

600
00:35:30,729 --> 00:35:32,492
<i>Today, residents
gathered at City Hall...</i>

601
00:35:32,598 --> 00:35:35,260
<i>with actor John Turturro
as their champion.</i>

602
00:35:35,367 --> 00:35:39,326
<i>They want Mayor Bloomberg to step in,
since the city owns Carnegie Hall.</i>

603
00:35:39,438 --> 00:35:44,637
<i>Not far away, the concert hall's artistic director
held his own City Hall press conference.</i>

604
00:35:44,743 --> 00:35:48,679
Their work... It is perfectly possible
for them to do somewhere else.

605
00:35:48,780 --> 00:35:51,078
The work of Carnegie Hall,
and the work of music...

606
00:35:51,183 --> 00:35:54,448
and our contribution to the city,
has to come from Carnegie Hall.

607
00:35:54,553 --> 00:35:58,956
<i>City hall sources tell Andrew that Mayor
Bloomberg will not intervene in the matter.</i>

608
00:35:59,057 --> 00:36:02,390
<i>He reportedly feels it's a
private, landlord-tenant dispute.</i>

609
00:36:02,494 --> 00:36:05,691
<i>There was no official comment
from the mayor's office.</i>

610
00:36:05,797 --> 00:36:07,992
The state of things now is,
I don't want to say grim,

611
00:36:08,100 --> 00:36:10,398
but it feels like the
studios of Carnegie Hall,

612
00:36:10,502 --> 00:36:13,767
the legendary studios,
are on its last legs.

613
00:36:13,872 --> 00:36:16,705
There are six tenants remaining in
the building, all rent control.

614
00:36:16,808 --> 00:36:20,574
<i>Everything is turned into offices.
Corporate offices.</i>

615
00:36:20,679 --> 00:36:23,705
<i>Beautiful artist studios like this
have been divided up...</i>

616
00:36:23,815 --> 00:36:26,545
<i>with partitions and computers
and telemarketers.</i>

617
00:36:26,652 --> 00:36:30,019
<i>Agnes de Mille's studio...
This is the famous one, Ballet Arts,</i>

618
00:36:30,122 --> 00:36:32,147
<i>where she choreographed
Oklahoma.</i>

619
00:36:32,257 --> 00:36:36,284
<i>Can you imagine how big that studio was?
That is now a sea of telemarketers.</i>

620
00:36:36,395 --> 00:36:38,056
<i>For us it feels criminal.</i>

621
00:36:38,163 --> 00:36:41,030
<i>It feels immoral that these people,
at this stage of their life,</i>

622
00:36:41,133 --> 00:36:45,763
<i>are going to spend their twilight years,
fighting to hold on to these studios.</i>

623
00:36:45,871 --> 00:36:51,332
<i>That's why it's a treat to see Bill and
Editta Sherman standing their ground...</i>

624
00:36:51,443 --> 00:36:53,775
<i>and being the last holdouts here
of the Carnegie Studios.</i>

625
00:36:54,346 --> 00:36:55,540
Editta Sherman!

626
00:36:56,949 --> 00:36:58,280
Come on in!

627
00:36:58,383 --> 00:36:59,714
What is this thing?

628
00:36:59,818 --> 00:37:02,013
How come they're not doing
something on me?

629
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,588
We did something on you.
This is all of you.

630
00:37:04,690 --> 00:37:06,385
We're doing something
on all of you now.

631
00:37:06,491 --> 00:37:07,549
Well, why?

632
00:37:07,659 --> 00:37:11,459
Here I am. They don't even
bring a cup of coffee.

633
00:37:11,563 --> 00:37:13,895
Well, I think they're not very civilized.

634
00:37:13,999 --> 00:37:15,432
Editta's always hungry.

635
00:37:16,935 --> 00:37:18,027
She's always hungry.

636
00:37:18,136 --> 00:37:20,627
You see?
This is a crazy house.

637
00:37:20,739 --> 00:37:22,536
- That's so beautiful.
- I know that.

638
00:37:22,641 --> 00:37:24,268
Suzette, how
long have you known Editta?

639
00:37:24,376 --> 00:37:26,810
Were you here
when I moved in in '49?

640
00:37:26,912 --> 00:37:28,402
No. You were here first.
Forty-nine.

641
00:37:28,513 --> 00:37:30,174
I moved in here in the '40s.

642
00:37:30,282 --> 00:37:32,614
I guess I must have been here
around 1940, huh?

643
00:37:32,718 --> 00:37:35,710
And Bill was making hats.
He was a designer.

644
00:37:35,821 --> 00:37:38,483
In this building?
Yes. Yes, he made hats.

645
00:37:38,590 --> 00:37:43,618
And I met him because I wanted
to buy one of the hats.

646
00:37:43,729 --> 00:37:45,720
Did Suzette wear your hats?

647
00:37:45,831 --> 00:37:47,731
Yeah. I wear the orange
one all the time.

648
00:37:47,833 --> 00:37:49,460
Suzette is very conservative.
It's wearing out.

649
00:37:49,568 --> 00:37:52,264
An orange one. The orange beret.
She had one.

650
00:37:52,371 --> 00:37:54,100
There's a picture
of it around somewhere.

651
00:37:54,206 --> 00:37:55,298
Yeah, I have
one downstairs...

652
00:37:55,407 --> 00:37:56,840
A painting of it,
a big painting.

653
00:37:56,942 --> 00:37:58,170
Well, I have the hats here.

654
00:37:58,277 --> 00:38:02,543
One of them is a little beret,
which is very cute.

655
00:38:02,648 --> 00:38:03,979
No, it's nothing.

656
00:38:04,082 --> 00:38:05,845
Don't show them the garbage.

657
00:38:05,951 --> 00:38:07,612
This is one of Bill's hats.

658
00:38:09,388 --> 00:38:12,824
Everybody looks at me
on the street when I wear this hat.

659
00:38:19,398 --> 00:38:20,592
Like that one?

660
00:38:20,699 --> 00:38:23,497
<i>My hat salon
was on the 10th floor.</i>

661
00:38:23,602 --> 00:38:28,505
<i>Ginger Rogers used to come and joan Crawford.
Marilyn Monroe was one,</i>

662
00:38:28,607 --> 00:38:31,303
and I had no interest
'cause they weren't stylish.

663
00:38:31,410 --> 00:38:34,937
I think this is the way he has this.
We have it?

664
00:38:35,047 --> 00:38:38,346
Maybe I should have
something light on, like this.

665
00:38:39,418 --> 00:38:40,817
You like it?

666
00:38:40,919 --> 00:38:42,318
This all right?

667
00:38:43,255 --> 00:38:47,191
I know Bill Cunningham was a milliner,
and he went under a label William J.

668
00:38:47,292 --> 00:38:51,922
You see, he didn't go...
He went by William.

669
00:38:52,030 --> 00:38:53,497
There, his label.

670
00:38:53,598 --> 00:38:56,692
Actually, I've seen a few of his hats
at F.I.T. At an exhibit.

671
00:38:56,802 --> 00:38:58,565
<i>They were quite beautiful.</i>

672
00:38:58,670 --> 00:39:02,299
<i>That's what we have in common, also, that
he used to see me on the street in hats.</i>

673
00:39:05,877 --> 00:39:07,276
<i>Well, I did the little trick.</i>

674
00:39:07,379 --> 00:39:10,644
<i>I put my hat in front of my face,
and I changed hats.</i>

675
00:39:10,749 --> 00:39:12,944
It's just, so it's not so blatant.

676
00:39:13,051 --> 00:39:15,918
It doesn't... It doesn't break the line.

677
00:39:16,021 --> 00:39:21,482
<i>And that's how I put on hats
when I'm in public.</i>

678
00:39:21,593 --> 00:39:22,992
<i>I love this little bowler.</i>

679
00:39:23,095 --> 00:39:25,689
I feel like Mr.
Peanut in this little bowler.

680
00:39:25,797 --> 00:39:28,493
It's kind of a different silhouette for me.

681
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:29,828
It's very Mr. Peanut.

682
00:39:32,471 --> 00:39:33,870
Do you like this one?

683
00:39:35,474 --> 00:39:36,873
Do you want the same fur?

684
00:39:41,179 --> 00:39:43,511
Do you like it that way
or do you like it hanging?

685
00:39:43,615 --> 00:39:47,881
My friend Ray Solowinski
on the eighth floor was a photographer,

686
00:39:47,986 --> 00:39:52,855
and he had the studio
where Caruso made his first recordings.

687
00:39:52,958 --> 00:39:55,825
Marlon Brando had
his studio here.

688
00:39:55,927 --> 00:39:58,452
Mrs. Sherman, no lipstick.

689
00:39:58,563 --> 00:39:59,655
Yes, I know.

690
00:39:59,765 --> 00:40:01,858
It doesn't go with that costume.
Well...

691
00:40:01,967 --> 00:40:04,197
Do you have
any funny stories... Yeah!

692
00:40:04,302 --> 00:40:07,066
Like about the three of you?
About living in Carnegie?

693
00:40:07,172 --> 00:40:08,605
Yes. Oh, definitely.

694
00:40:08,707 --> 00:40:11,403
Sherman...
Sherman was the centerpiece.

695
00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:13,205
It had always been her hobby.

696
00:40:13,311 --> 00:40:15,040
She was self-taught,

697
00:40:15,147 --> 00:40:20,881
and she danced to the music
of the dying swan.

698
00:40:20,986 --> 00:40:24,149
<i>Whose music is the dying...
Oh, it was The Carnival of the Animals.</i>

699
00:40:24,256 --> 00:40:25,280
Yes.

700
00:40:25,390 --> 00:40:26,755
You know how that goes.

701
00:40:26,858 --> 00:40:30,851


702
00:40:30,962 --> 00:40:33,430
<i>

703
00:40:39,905 --> 00:40:42,271
<i>We'd never seen
anything like this in our lives.</i>

704
00:40:42,374 --> 00:40:47,107
<i>But Editta would turn off all the lights
, and on the night of a full moon...</i>

705
00:40:47,212 --> 00:40:49,373
<i>the moon would come
through those skylights...</i>

706
00:40:49,481 --> 00:40:52,609
<i>Editta would come out
and do the dying swan.</i>

707
00:40:52,717 --> 00:40:55,447
<i>We were all mesmerized by that.</i>

708
00:40:55,554 --> 00:40:58,114
<i>

709
00:41:05,730 --> 00:41:07,391
<i>Someone like Editta Sherman...</i>

710
00:41:07,499 --> 00:41:12,232
<i>She's married to the studio and her
craft, and that's her life.</i>

711
00:41:12,337 --> 00:41:16,637
<i>And to extract her
out of this environment is...</i>

712
00:41:16,741 --> 00:41:20,643
<i>That feels criminal to me because she's
an artist who works in this environment,</i>

713
00:41:20,745 --> 00:41:22,975
<i>and it's because of this environment
she does what she does.</i>

714
00:41:23,081 --> 00:41:25,140
<i>And it's true of a lot
of the other tenants.</i>

715
00:41:25,250 --> 00:41:30,711
<i>So... to sort of displace them
at this stage in their lives,</i>

716
00:41:30,822 --> 00:41:35,020
<i>into some sort of anonymous apartment
is just, you know, I think,</i>

717
00:41:35,126 --> 00:41:37,754
<i>would be the beginning of the end
for a lot of these tenants.</i>

718
00:41:39,097 --> 00:41:42,498
Is it sad for you? They're going to
relocate us in the neighborhood.

719
00:41:42,601 --> 00:41:46,765
So you're not worried... It'll be an
apartment with a kitchen and a bathroom.

720
00:41:46,872 --> 00:41:49,238
Who the hell wants a kitchen
and a bathroom?

721
00:41:49,341 --> 00:41:51,332
Mmm.
Just more rooms to clean.

722
00:41:51,443 --> 00:41:54,173
Can you see one of
these fancy apartment houses...

723
00:41:54,279 --> 00:41:57,339
where all they move in are filing cabinets?

724
00:41:58,917 --> 00:42:02,512
I'm not gonna worry.
I have more fun going out and photographing.

725
00:42:02,621 --> 00:42:04,748
<i>I suppose it'll bother me at
the time, but so what?</i>

726
00:42:04,856 --> 00:42:06,790
<i>Inconvenient but otherwise...</i>

727
00:42:06,892 --> 00:42:09,918
<i>You can't interrupt your life
with that nonsense.</i>

728
00:42:11,596 --> 00:42:14,463
Psst! Psst!


729
00:42:20,972 --> 00:42:23,497
- Look at Veronica!
- Bill, a hug.

730
00:42:23,608 --> 00:42:25,940
Hello child. My...

731
00:42:26,044 --> 00:42:27,671
The diamonds have gotten bigger.
Right?

732
00:42:27,779 --> 00:42:29,246
And, of course...

733
00:42:29,347 --> 00:42:32,009
Now that they make them at Club Monaco,
they get bigger and bigger.

734
00:42:32,117 --> 00:42:34,085
And, of course, they're all real.

735
00:42:34,185 --> 00:42:35,482
Yes.
Absolutely.

736
00:42:35,587 --> 00:42:37,714
In someone's mind.

737
00:42:37,822 --> 00:42:42,987
Bill, this gentleman here in the
velvet blazer straight ahead of you...

738
00:42:43,094 --> 00:42:45,358
is David Koch,
who we're honoring tonight.

739
00:42:45,463 --> 00:42:46,930
<i>Oh, I know him, yeah.</i>

740
00:42:47,032 --> 00:42:48,795
<i>I've never had
an experience like this Bill.</i>

741
00:42:48,900 --> 00:42:50,959
I'm kind of over the moon about
it, you know? Good. Good.

742
00:42:51,069 --> 00:42:53,560
Enjoy it. My head is spinning.
Well, you should be.

743
00:42:53,672 --> 00:42:56,732
<i>"Evening Hours"documents
, perhaps to some, simply parties...</i>

744
00:42:56,841 --> 00:42:59,469
<i>and the people who go to them,
but really, what it's about...</i>

745
00:42:59,578 --> 00:43:03,139
are the amazing connections
people have in this city...

746
00:43:03,248 --> 00:43:05,716
with each other, with the
various organizations...

747
00:43:05,817 --> 00:43:08,752
they think are important,
with the people who they honor,

748
00:43:08,853 --> 00:43:10,684
<i>and Bill really chronicles that.</i>

749
00:43:10,789 --> 00:43:14,555
This is Karole Armitage.
She has a dance company in New York.

750
00:43:14,659 --> 00:43:16,786
You have to come
take pictures of my gala.

751
00:43:16,895 --> 00:43:19,591
We need you.

752
00:43:19,698 --> 00:43:23,259
Remind me. Have someone at your place
send a postcard. Okay, I will.

753
00:43:23,368 --> 00:43:26,098
No formality.
Just send me something in the mail.

754
00:43:26,204 --> 00:43:29,970
These are all the ones
I couldn't get to last week.

755
00:43:30,575 --> 00:43:34,011
You know, you simply can't get involved
in all of these things. It's...

756
00:43:34,112 --> 00:43:35,409
I used to try.

757
00:43:35,513 --> 00:43:39,916
This one I might go to, but I just don't know.
The security could be so awful.

758
00:43:40,018 --> 00:43:42,953
<i>First, I select a charity
that will do the most good.</i>

759
00:43:43,054 --> 00:43:46,615
<i>Never looking at a guest list. As a
matter of fact, people call up and say,</i>

760
00:43:46,725 --> 00:43:49,956
<i>"Well, this one's coming or that one.
" I say, "Don't bother even telling me,</i>

761
00:43:50,061 --> 00:43:52,586
<i>and don't bother sending a guest list
'cause I'm not interested. "</i>

762
00:43:52,697 --> 00:43:56,064
"The Queen of Sweden,
the Queen of Jordan,

763
00:43:56,167 --> 00:43:57,794
their Royal Highnesses"...

764
00:43:57,902 --> 00:44:00,427
and, uh, blah, blah, blah, blah.

765
00:44:00,538 --> 00:44:05,441
<i>I'm interested in what the charity does,
and that's why the Times is there.</i>

766
00:44:05,543 --> 00:44:07,010
<i>It really is that way.</i>

767
00:44:07,112 --> 00:44:10,138
<i>People find it hard to believe. They
think it's a society column.</i>

768
00:44:10,248 --> 00:44:11,715
<i>It's not at all.</i>

769
00:44:11,816 --> 00:44:13,613
<i>It never was meant to be.</i>

770
00:44:13,718 --> 00:44:16,516
<i>There was a magazine.
It's now deceased.</i>

771
00:44:16,621 --> 00:44:18,919
They had a headline...

772
00:44:19,024 --> 00:44:22,551
The best magazine
title I've ever seen.

773
00:44:22,661 --> 00:44:24,754
<i>"You went out last night.</i>

774
00:44:24,863 --> 00:44:26,330
<i>Nobody wrote about it.</i>

775
00:44:26,431 --> 00:44:28,023
<i>Do you exist?"</i>

776
00:44:28,133 --> 00:44:30,067
<i>Now that's...</i>

777
00:44:30,168 --> 00:44:33,569
<i>That's the frame of mind that
a lot of people got caught up in.</i>

778
00:44:33,672 --> 00:44:37,005
You kids print your names for me.
Where's it gonna be? Where's our picture gonna be?

779
00:44:37,108 --> 00:44:38,735
<i>He's New York Times.
Oh.</i>

780
00:44:38,843 --> 00:44:41,812
<i>The Times have a little benefit page.
It's small stuff.</i>

781
00:44:41,913 --> 00:44:43,073
We gotta be in it.
Unimportant.

782
00:44:43,181 --> 00:44:44,409
We're pretty
good-looking people.

783
00:44:44,516 --> 00:44:46,245
Yeah. That's what I thought.

784
00:44:46,351 --> 00:44:48,319
New York is about status.

785
00:44:48,420 --> 00:44:50,251
That's all it's about.

786
00:44:50,355 --> 00:44:54,348
There is...
This is not a pleasant city to live in,

787
00:44:54,459 --> 00:45:00,659
aside from the fact that there are a lot
of people, uh, here who are ambitious.

788
00:45:00,765 --> 00:45:04,565
<i>People are very pushy
socially in New York,</i>

789
00:45:04,669 --> 00:45:06,603
<i>but they don't wave a flag.</i>

790
00:45:06,705 --> 00:45:09,003
<i>They just move in the
right direction.</i>

791
00:45:09,107 --> 00:45:11,940
<i>The right direction is toward
Bill Cunningham's camera.</i>

792
00:45:12,043 --> 00:45:14,705
<i>I don't think that Bill
considers himself a social arbiter.</i>

793
00:45:14,813 --> 00:45:19,580
<i>I really don't consider him as being someone who
gets a lift out of being with these people.</i>

794
00:45:21,519 --> 00:45:23,214
Yeah, that's it! Yeah.

795
00:45:23,321 --> 00:45:24,982
That's... That's the way.

796
00:45:25,090 --> 00:45:26,921
Yeah, it's a nice expression.

797
00:45:27,025 --> 00:45:29,289
None of this stiff stuff.

798
00:45:29,394 --> 00:45:32,124
You caught us napping.
I get that with the benefactors up there.

799
00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:34,357
How you doing today there?
Okay, kid.

800
00:45:34,466 --> 00:45:36,127
<i>There's a little fish in the back.</i>

801
00:45:36,234 --> 00:45:38,930
Would they bring you some fish
over to the other side?

802
00:45:39,037 --> 00:45:40,698
Oh, no. I don't want anything.
Are you sure?

803
00:45:40,805 --> 00:45:42,432
Oh, yeah. I eat with my eyes.

804
00:45:42,540 --> 00:45:45,373
Yeah, I know, but you need
to keep your body up too.

805
00:45:45,477 --> 00:45:48,275
Hmm? You won't let me
get you a little plate?

806
00:45:48,379 --> 00:45:50,176
Oh, no. No, thank you, Mary.

807
00:45:50,281 --> 00:45:51,612
Nobody would see you.

808
00:45:51,716 --> 00:45:54,344
No. Thank you, child.
Okay.

809
00:45:54,452 --> 00:45:57,285
<i>A lot of people
think it's a little peculiar...</i>

810
00:45:57,388 --> 00:46:00,255
<i>that I never have a drink
or something like that,</i>

811
00:46:00,358 --> 00:46:02,155
<i>but I made up my mind...</i>

812
00:46:02,260 --> 00:46:03,727
<i>Oh, at Women's Wear.</i>

813
00:46:03,828 --> 00:46:06,296
<i>People were always wining
and dining you,</i>

814
00:46:06,397 --> 00:46:09,560
<i>and I thought,
"Well, I'm not into that."</i>

815
00:46:09,667 --> 00:46:13,569
<i>I'm there just to
report for the Times.</i>

816
00:46:13,671 --> 00:46:15,400
<i>I'm not there to be wined and dined,</i>

817
00:46:15,507 --> 00:46:18,806
<i>and I certainly wouldn't compromise
the Times,</i>

818
00:46:18,910 --> 00:46:21,003
<i>so I made up my mind
at that point...</i>

819
00:46:21,112 --> 00:46:23,342
<i>I wouldn't take even
a glass of water.</i>

820
00:46:23,448 --> 00:46:27,145
<i>I have something to eat
before I go to work, and that's it.</i>

821
00:46:27,252 --> 00:46:28,219
<i>Period.</i>

822
00:46:28,319 --> 00:46:33,518
<i>It's keeping a distance from what you're
doing, so you can be more objective.</i>

823
00:46:33,625 --> 00:46:35,855
<i>Objective over what, I don't know,</i>

824
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,054
<i>but, uh, it works for me.</i>

825
00:46:39,297 --> 00:46:44,701
New York society
becomes harder and harder to define.

826
00:46:44,803 --> 00:46:46,430
The latest definition...

827
00:46:46,538 --> 00:46:50,030
<i>is everything from the girls
who smile for party pictures...</i>

828
00:46:50,141 --> 00:46:51,972
<i>to the old WASPs.</i>

829
00:46:52,076 --> 00:46:54,772
He loves, like, an old, stylish gal.

830
00:46:54,879 --> 00:46:57,439
<i>Come on.
He loves an old, stylish gal.</i>

831
00:46:57,549 --> 00:46:59,380
<i>And they all love him.</i>

832
00:46:59,484 --> 00:47:02,112
<i>That's why I think...
I don't know the history of Bill,</i>

833
00:47:02,220 --> 00:47:05,519
<i>but we suspected that there was some
kind of society connection with Bill,</i>

834
00:47:05,623 --> 00:47:08,524
<i>because he also felt as comfortable
with Lady Astor,</i>

835
00:47:08,626 --> 00:47:10,651
<i>and he knew all those people.</i>

836
00:47:10,762 --> 00:47:12,286
I'm David Rockefeller.
William Astor.

837
00:47:12,397 --> 00:47:14,058
You look marvelous indeed.

838
00:47:14,165 --> 00:47:19,228
Isn't that nice? When you think of all
that's going on, that they came tonight?

839
00:47:19,337 --> 00:47:21,362
Why are you not making peace?

840
00:47:21,472 --> 00:47:23,736
Hello, Bill.
Come with me.

841
00:47:23,842 --> 00:47:27,869
<i>Brooke Astor...
Someone like that is a rarity.</i>

842
00:47:27,979 --> 00:47:31,574
<i>She had such a human touch,
a correctness, about her,</i>

843
00:47:31,683 --> 00:47:33,651
<i>but not in a stuffed-shirt way.</i>

844
00:47:33,751 --> 00:47:35,742
<i>She immediately
made people feel at ease.</i>

845
00:47:35,854 --> 00:47:40,621
<i>She believed not in exclusion,
but inclusion.</i>

846
00:47:40,725 --> 00:47:42,693
<i>We're all the same.
We all have the same problems.</i>

847
00:47:42,794 --> 00:47:46,457
<i>We all have family members
that are whatever the hell it is.</i>

848
00:47:46,564 --> 00:47:49,692
I've loved and admired
my mother...

849
00:47:49,801 --> 00:47:52,463
for more than
three-quarters of a century.

850
00:47:53,671 --> 00:47:55,662
Let's all toast to my mother,

851
00:47:55,773 --> 00:47:59,209
who was born,
not only on the 30th of March,

852
00:47:59,310 --> 00:48:03,337
but in 1902,
the 30th of March was Easter Day.

853
00:48:03,448 --> 00:48:09,614
Mrs. Astor represented some timeless
sense of style and elegance...

854
00:48:09,721 --> 00:48:11,313
and philanthropy...

855
00:48:11,422 --> 00:48:13,686
and doing the right thing.

856
00:48:13,791 --> 00:48:17,591
I really am not so extraordinary.

857
00:48:17,695 --> 00:48:23,031
I'm just an ordinary person
who has had a very good life...

858
00:48:23,134 --> 00:48:26,626
and is very near...
and it is getting very near to the end.

859
00:48:26,738 --> 00:48:29,036
And I've had a wonderful time.

860
00:48:29,140 --> 00:48:31,404
<i>You've all really been so sweet.</i>

861
00:48:31,509 --> 00:48:34,273
<i>I think it was
impossible not to admire her.</i>

862
00:48:34,379 --> 00:48:36,973
They became really very close friends.

863
00:48:37,081 --> 00:48:40,050
<i>And he did chronicle
her every single move.</i>

864
00:48:40,151 --> 00:48:44,588
<i>It was with a genuine kindness and
affection, and he protected her.</i>

865
00:48:44,689 --> 00:48:47,419
<i>To the very end
they were great friends.</i>

866
00:48:47,525 --> 00:48:50,255
I'm guessing...

867
00:48:50,361 --> 00:48:54,525
that he might actually have come
from a wealthy family because of that,

868
00:48:54,632 --> 00:48:58,591
and because only people who come from
wealth can live the way he lives.

869
00:48:58,703 --> 00:49:01,103
<i>So that's always been my assumption,</i>

870
00:49:01,205 --> 00:49:04,140
<i>but I've actually never discussed it
with him.</i>

871
00:49:12,350 --> 00:49:15,183
<i>About ten years ago
, I was sitting outside...</i>

872
00:49:15,286 --> 00:49:16,913
<i>downtown at a restaurant,</i>

873
00:49:17,021 --> 00:49:20,650
and it must have been 11 o'clock at night.

874
00:49:20,758 --> 00:49:23,921
And all of a sudden,
there goes Bill Cunningham on his bike.

875
00:49:24,028 --> 00:49:30,399
I thought, "Oh, I want to say hello,"
but he was gone in a fleeting moment.

876
00:49:30,501 --> 00:49:34,699
And all I could see was his blue coat
and the bike go by.

877
00:49:34,806 --> 00:49:36,535
<i>And I knew where he was headed.</i>

878
00:49:36,641 --> 00:49:38,609
<i>He goes to many events
in one evening.</i>

879
00:49:38,710 --> 00:49:40,678
<i>He's in one event uptown,</i>

880
00:49:40,778 --> 00:49:42,643
<i>and he's downtown at another event.</i>

881
00:49:42,747 --> 00:49:46,274
<i>It's rigorous work.</i>

882
00:49:48,987 --> 00:49:51,455
This is too early to be
at one of these downtown parties.

883
00:49:51,556 --> 00:49:54,525
We're the only ones here. Bill's
gonna be here for five minutes and leave.

884
00:49:56,995 --> 00:49:58,758
Big smiles.
Come on, Annie!

885
00:50:00,231 --> 00:50:01,391
<i>Beautiful, guys.</i>

886
00:50:01,499 --> 00:50:03,660
That's a classic Schwinn.

887
00:50:03,768 --> 00:50:05,395
Someone gave it to me.

888
00:50:05,503 --> 00:50:08,028
That's my 29th.
Wonderful.

889
00:50:08,139 --> 00:50:10,801
I've had 28 stolen.

890
00:50:10,908 --> 00:50:12,273
28 stolen bikes?

891
00:50:12,377 --> 00:50:14,004
Yeah. That's the 29th.

892
00:50:14,112 --> 00:50:16,774
Oh, my goodness, the kids are all here.

893
00:50:16,881 --> 00:50:20,248
The kids are here.
I came out from L.A. With Annie.

894
00:50:20,351 --> 00:50:23,252
Oh, how wonderful.
She's ensconced down there.

895
00:50:23,354 --> 00:50:25,288
Oh, aren't you kids beautiful?
Look at you.

896
00:50:25,390 --> 00:50:27,517
"You kids." Never changes.

897
00:50:27,625 --> 00:50:29,650
Look at you two kids.
You gonna take?

898
00:50:29,761 --> 00:50:31,092
Yes.
Of us?

899
00:50:31,195 --> 00:50:34,164
Yes. In basic black? Are you kidding?

900
00:50:35,133 --> 00:50:37,829
A very special one too. Yes.

901
00:50:42,140 --> 00:50:44,165
<i>Bill is a true egalitarian.</i>

902
00:50:44,275 --> 00:50:48,541
However, that doesn't mean
he isn't aware of the nuances...

903
00:50:48,646 --> 00:50:52,377
of cultural division and hierarchies.

904
00:50:52,483 --> 00:50:54,508
<i>He just treats it all the same.</i>

905
00:50:54,619 --> 00:50:56,610
<i>He really is the person who,</i>

906
00:50:56,721 --> 00:50:58,552
<i>whether you're a bicycle messenger,</i>

907
00:50:58,656 --> 00:51:02,183
<i>a woman who's breaking
the glass ceiling on Wall Street,</i>

908
00:51:02,293 --> 00:51:04,727
<i>a socialite in New York...</i>

909
00:51:04,829 --> 00:51:08,458
<i>who's an up-and-comer
and part of nouvelle society,</i>

910
00:51:08,566 --> 00:51:11,228
<i>or an old Dutch or German family...</i>

911
00:51:11,335 --> 00:51:16,739
<i>that is still in the last phases
of its denouement in Newport...</i>

912
00:51:16,841 --> 00:51:18,138
<i>He doesn't care.</i>

913
00:51:18,242 --> 00:51:23,737
<i>It's all, for him, the huge variety
of life in New York City.</i>

914
00:51:23,848 --> 00:51:25,611
When was the first
time Bill photographed you?

915
00:51:25,716 --> 00:51:28,651
<i>In 1986,
and the Times said...</i>

916
00:51:28,753 --> 00:51:31,722
He came to me the next week and
he said, "I'm so disappointed.

917
00:51:31,823 --> 00:51:35,759
<i>The Times said we can't put you in
because you're wearing a dress."</i>

918
00:51:35,860 --> 00:51:39,261
And he said, "But I'm going
to keep trying to get you in."

919
00:51:39,363 --> 00:51:41,194
And I was like, "What the hell?

920
00:51:41,299 --> 00:51:44,860
I'm wearing a pair
of workman's boots with that dress."

921
00:51:44,969 --> 00:51:49,269
And he said, "I know Kenny,
but they won't put you in, but I'm trying."

922
00:51:49,373 --> 00:51:51,933
And now, they put everything in.

923
00:51:52,043 --> 00:51:55,206
<i>He's such a maverick.
Really a maverick.</i>

924
00:51:55,313 --> 00:51:57,804
<i>He means so much to people like us.
Really.</i>

925
00:51:57,915 --> 00:52:00,406
He's an artist.

926
00:52:00,518 --> 00:52:01,815
We'll talk.

927
00:52:30,715 --> 00:52:32,615
You have two choices.

928
00:52:32,717 --> 00:52:35,845
You can either have Jon Bon Jovi
give you the welcoming remarks...

929
00:52:35,953 --> 00:52:37,580
and me doing the singing...

930
00:52:37,688 --> 00:52:39,155
Or the reverse.

931
00:52:39,257 --> 00:52:42,385
Seriously, this is one
of the great jewels of New York.

932
00:52:42,493 --> 00:52:44,961
It is great for the economy of this city.

933
00:52:45,062 --> 00:52:47,724
It is great for the education of our kids.

934
00:52:47,832 --> 00:52:49,459
It is great for everybody.

935
00:52:49,567 --> 00:52:54,197
So you have a great evening tonight,
and thank you for all you're doing.

936
00:52:54,305 --> 00:52:57,206
Thank you for your support
of this wonderful museum. God bless.

937
00:53:28,806 --> 00:53:30,774
That's why I was going up with it.

938
00:53:30,875 --> 00:53:33,275
Yes, like that. Yeah. That's nice.

939
00:53:33,377 --> 00:53:37,245
Now let's put this one, a single
picture party, right in here.

940
00:53:37,348 --> 00:53:40,374
Put this one down at the bottom,
this party, and put this one above it.

941
00:53:40,484 --> 00:53:41,451
We'll see. We'll just...

942
00:53:41,552 --> 00:53:44,953
Just put it on. Stop your antics.

943
00:53:45,056 --> 00:53:46,523
Put it up there.

944
00:53:50,628 --> 00:53:52,095
Damn you kids!

945
00:53:52,196 --> 00:53:55,256
I love this one. Scientists.

946
00:53:55,366 --> 00:53:58,130
He must be quite a jokester.

947
00:53:58,236 --> 00:54:00,636
He's a Nobel laureate
and so forth,

948
00:54:00,738 --> 00:54:03,070
and he's teasing
the other scientist.

949
00:54:03,174 --> 00:54:06,234
Look at this beautiful child,
but we have no room for her.

950
00:54:06,344 --> 00:54:08,073
I think we need
someone new, young.

951
00:54:08,179 --> 00:54:11,012
I didn't know who she was.
Just, I liked the way she looked.

952
00:54:11,115 --> 00:54:12,878
The dress is terrific.

953
00:54:12,984 --> 00:54:16,181
Asymmetric on the bias.
You never see that.

954
00:54:16,287 --> 00:54:20,223
And it's not a model. That's a private
person that brought their own clothes.

955
00:54:20,324 --> 00:54:23,191
I have the most beautiful
picture of Mrs. Bass.

956
00:54:23,294 --> 00:54:25,819
She looks like
a John Singer Sargent portrait.

957
00:54:25,930 --> 00:54:29,297
A what?
Absolutely ravishing.

958
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:34,702
Except, she's got a modesty bib
filling in the V-neckline.

959
00:54:34,805 --> 00:54:37,365
What a crime.
That should have been...

960
00:54:37,475 --> 00:54:39,966
I'm sure the dressmaker got timid.

961
00:54:40,077 --> 00:54:41,544
You know, to fill it.

962
00:54:41,646 --> 00:54:44,080
Isn't that a shame?
It should have been left open.

963
00:54:44,181 --> 00:54:46,240
Look how elegant she is.
Oh, yeah.

964
00:54:46,350 --> 00:54:48,318
Oh. That woman is amazing.

965
00:54:48,419 --> 00:54:51,752
Uh, wasn't she in last week?
No. No.

966
00:54:52,356 --> 00:54:55,348
Oh, no, you don't cut her arms.
Are you crazed?

967
00:54:55,459 --> 00:54:57,689
Well, excuse me.
Keep her hands in.

968
00:54:57,795 --> 00:55:00,263
My God, John.
Where's your sensitivity?

969
00:55:00,364 --> 00:55:03,333
I mean, she's probably
the most elegant woman,

970
00:55:03,434 --> 00:55:06,267
or one of the most elegant women,
in New York.

971
00:55:06,370 --> 00:55:09,134
Oh, you wouldn't know.
What am I talking to you about that stuff?

972
00:55:10,441 --> 00:55:13,535
You're a lumberjack,
and here I'm talking dresses to you.

973
00:55:13,644 --> 00:55:18,013
Are you talking to me?
I was completely ignoring you all that time.

974
00:55:23,220 --> 00:55:24,687
Oh! Now stop it.

975
00:55:24,789 --> 00:55:27,314
Turn that damn thing off.

976
00:55:27,425 --> 00:55:30,189
Bill, we're gonna hound you.
We're gonna hound you.

977
00:55:30,294 --> 00:55:33,024
You've already done that.
Now stop it.

978
00:55:33,130 --> 00:55:36,293
These guys are tough as nails.
They think they're taking over.

979
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,391
They're not taking over.
We're not.

980
00:55:38,502 --> 00:55:40,527
I got news for them.
Yeah.

981
00:55:43,107 --> 00:55:48,409
These jerks think
they're going to follow me to Paris.

982
00:55:48,512 --> 00:55:50,070
Who are they kidding?

983
00:55:50,181 --> 00:55:53,048
We are.
No, you're not.

984
00:55:53,250 --> 00:55:57,482
<i>

985
00:56:09,266 --> 00:56:12,429
<i>I didn't get to Paris till 1951.</i>

986
00:56:12,536 --> 00:56:17,599
<i>

987
00:56:17,708 --> 00:56:22,077
<i>I was stationed
in the southwest of France.</i>

988
00:56:22,179 --> 00:56:23,840
<i>I'd take the train up to Paris.</i>

989
00:56:23,948 --> 00:56:26,917
<i>Of course,
it was very different from today.</i>

990
00:56:27,017 --> 00:56:29,918
<i>They were only couture houses.</i>

991
00:56:33,657 --> 00:56:38,959
<i>They were clothes
that gave women enormous security...</i>

992
00:56:39,063 --> 00:56:42,396
<i>through the elegance of cut
and taste and refinement.</i>

993
00:56:42,500 --> 00:56:44,695
<i>There was nothing
frivolous about them.</i>

994
00:57:00,151 --> 00:57:02,278
<i>You see, when I began in the '40s,</i>

995
00:57:02,386 --> 00:57:04,820
<i>there were no photographers
at fashion shows.</i>

996
00:57:04,922 --> 00:57:08,585
<i>What the fashion houses had to do
was take their own photographs...</i>

997
00:57:08,692 --> 00:57:12,788
<i>and bring them to the editors
to select something.</i>

998
00:57:12,897 --> 00:57:17,129
Then the ready-to-wear
came into existence in the...

999
00:57:17,234 --> 00:57:23,298
in the end of the '60s,
beginning of the '70s, very slowly.

1000
00:57:23,407 --> 00:57:25,807
<i>At Saint Laurent's
first ready-to-wear show,</i>

1001
00:57:25,910 --> 00:57:30,279
<i>I think there were maybe myself,
and maybe a Vogue photographer.</i>

1002
00:57:30,381 --> 00:57:34,579
<i>I mean, it didn't have this
fanatic following that it has now...</i>

1003
00:57:34,685 --> 00:57:38,917
<i>of all these manufacturers and
people that just would kill to get in...</i>

1004
00:57:39,023 --> 00:57:43,119
<i>because they need to steal ideas
for their own work.</i>

1005
00:57:44,061 --> 00:57:48,020
<i>So they let Paris
be the laboratory of ideas.</i>

1006
00:57:53,304 --> 00:57:56,831
The press entrance is that way,
so you have to ask them, unfortunately.

1007
00:58:00,578 --> 00:58:02,569
Nikki, should we go...
Just one person, huh?

1008
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:06,514
Oh.

1009
00:58:06,617 --> 00:58:10,451
Nikki, um, I'll see you later.

1010
00:58:18,329 --> 00:58:20,024
<i>Looking at these collections,</i>

1011
00:58:20,130 --> 00:58:24,123
<i>I look for what I think
a woman could wear, would wear,</i>

1012
00:58:24,235 --> 00:58:27,261
<i>and whether it would fit
a human body,</i>

1013
00:58:27,371 --> 00:58:28,838
<i>other than the model.</i>

1014
00:58:28,939 --> 00:58:30,406
<i>I'm very attuned to that.</i>

1015
00:58:30,508 --> 00:58:33,068
<i>If it isn't something a woman could
wear, I have no interest in it.</i>

1016
00:58:33,177 --> 00:58:35,907
I've watched Bill photograph
from the front row,

1017
00:58:36,013 --> 00:58:40,074
and you can see when the camera goes up
or the camera stays down.

1018
00:58:40,184 --> 00:58:42,175
<i>And he's very opinionated.</i>

1019
00:58:42,286 --> 00:58:44,811
He does not applaud
everyone.

1020
00:58:44,922 --> 00:58:46,787
He knows
what's innovative...

1021
00:58:46,891 --> 00:58:49,052
<i>and what's borrowed or copied.</i>

1022
00:58:49,159 --> 00:58:53,960
<i>He knows if he sees someone, you know
, putting something on a runway...</i>

1023
00:58:54,064 --> 00:58:56,032
<i>if it was done, like,
30 years before.</i>

1024
00:58:56,133 --> 00:58:58,192
And so he would pull it up.

1025
00:58:58,302 --> 00:59:01,203
<i>Thirty years before,
and he'd show the picture and...</i>

1026
00:59:01,305 --> 00:59:04,706
<i>I mean, he got...
Designers would be devastated.</i>

1027
00:59:04,808 --> 00:59:07,038
He once did that with Isaac Mizrahi.
He pulled up a Geoffrey Beene...

1028
00:59:07,144 --> 00:59:09,510
<i>from like five years before
or something,</i>

1029
00:59:09,613 --> 00:59:12,844
<i>and Isaac was so mad, and even Geoffrey
Beene, I think, got mad at Isaac.</i>

1030
00:59:12,950 --> 00:59:16,044
<i>You know, it was like
he would definitely start trouble.</i>

1031
00:59:16,153 --> 00:59:18,121
Not on purpose, but he would do...

1032
00:59:18,222 --> 00:59:21,953
He would definitely, like, point out,
like, if he saw something, he'd call it.

1033
00:59:26,997 --> 00:59:29,397
<i>The photographers at the
shows, they're all in the back,</i>

1034
00:59:29,500 --> 00:59:33,163
<i>so they get a clear photograph
with nothing disturbing.</i>

1035
00:59:33,270 --> 00:59:35,135
<i>They get a plain wall.
It's all fine.</i>

1036
00:59:35,239 --> 00:59:37,366
<i>But they're getting
everything straight on.</i>

1037
00:59:37,474 --> 00:59:39,533
<i>Well, fashion's not that way.</i>

1038
00:59:39,643 --> 00:59:45,309
<i>You have to know in an instant, "Oh, the
angle is this, and the detail is that. "</i>

1039
00:59:45,416 --> 00:59:46,883
<i>And it's not straight on.</i>

1040
00:59:46,984 --> 00:59:51,512
<i>I just like it on the side, so I
can get a front, a back, a profile...</i>

1041
00:59:51,622 --> 00:59:53,317
<i>or hopefully.</i>

1042
00:59:53,424 --> 00:59:56,621
<i>Most of the time I
miss it, but I try.</i>

1043
00:59:56,727 --> 00:59:59,958
<i>
bells are ringing

1044
01:00:00,064 --> 01:00:03,500
<i>

1045
01:00:03,601 --> 01:00:06,934
<i>

1046
01:00:07,037 --> 01:00:10,734
<i>
a foreign field

1047
01:00:10,841 --> 01:00:13,901
<i>

1048
01:00:14,011 --> 01:00:20,644
<i>
never an honest word

1049
01:00:20,751 --> 01:00:24,346
<i>
ruled the world

1050
01:00:24,455 --> 01:00:28,482
The wider world
that perceives fashion as a...

1051
01:00:28,592 --> 01:00:31,060
sometimes a frivolity
that should be done away with...

1052
01:00:31,161 --> 01:00:37,566
in the face of social upheavals
and problems that are enormous...

1053
01:00:37,668 --> 01:00:41,695
The point is, in fact, that fashion...

1054
01:00:43,641 --> 01:00:44,608
Um...

1055
01:00:46,777 --> 01:00:48,506
You know, in point of fact,

1056
01:00:48,612 --> 01:00:53,640
it's the armor to survive
the reality of everyday life.

1057
01:00:53,751 --> 01:00:55,548
I don't think you could do away with it.

1058
01:00:55,653 --> 01:00:58,121
It would be like doing
away with civilization.

1059
01:00:58,222 --> 01:01:00,053
You know, l... That's what I think.

1060
01:01:00,157 --> 01:01:03,217
I mean, a lot of people think
"He's a crazy fanatic," you know.

1061
01:01:03,327 --> 01:01:06,592
<i>At any rate,
that's what I think about it.</i>

1062
01:01:10,134 --> 01:01:13,126
How is it different
shooting here than in New York?

1063
01:01:13,237 --> 01:01:16,866
Fashion week here is exceptional.

1064
01:01:16,974 --> 01:01:18,441
Why?

1065
01:01:18,542 --> 01:01:20,772
It educates the eye.

1066
01:01:20,878 --> 01:01:22,345
Paris?

1067
01:01:23,380 --> 01:01:25,143
That's right. That's really...

1068
01:01:25,249 --> 01:01:27,911
I come for the fashion,
but that's what happens.

1069
01:01:28,018 --> 01:01:31,454
Every six months
it's like going to school.

1070
01:01:31,555 --> 01:01:34,854
You have to go back
and reeducate the eye.

1071
01:01:37,227 --> 01:01:39,218
You couldn't take me
to a fine restaurant.

1072
01:01:42,299 --> 01:01:44,392
So you don't care about food?
No.

1073
01:01:44,501 --> 01:01:46,469
Really?
Oh, no, no.

1074
01:01:46,570 --> 01:01:48,128
Do you listen to music?

1075
01:01:48,238 --> 01:01:53,403
I used to go to concerts here,
in the churches and the opera.

1076
01:01:53,510 --> 01:01:55,637
But that stopped years ago.

1077
01:01:55,746 --> 01:01:57,577
There's no time.
Yeah, sure.

1078
01:01:57,681 --> 01:02:00,309
Right.

1079
01:02:00,417 --> 01:02:04,148
I mean, if I'm lucky I get to
church on Sunday.

1080
01:02:04,254 --> 01:02:07,348
That's where I hear the music. Really?
You go to church to hear the music?

1081
01:02:07,458 --> 01:02:09,323
Do you go to church?
Yeah.

1082
01:02:09,426 --> 01:02:10,450
Every Sunday?
Yeah.

1083
01:02:10,561 --> 01:02:11,550
Really?

1084
01:02:16,233 --> 01:02:18,633
It's no big deal.

1085
01:02:18,736 --> 01:02:21,603
I go and repent.

1086
01:02:32,883 --> 01:02:36,375
And you see all the paparazzi
going crazy? Oh, yeah.

1087
01:02:36,487 --> 01:02:38,955
Over Catherine Denueve.

1088
01:02:39,056 --> 01:02:41,923
<i>I can hear people say, "He's
gotta be the dumbest one in the crowd.</i>

1089
01:02:42,025 --> 01:02:43,492
<i>He didn't bother
photographing her. "</i>

1090
01:02:43,594 --> 01:02:45,152
<i>Well, she wasn't wearing
anything interesting.</i>

1091
01:02:45,262 --> 01:02:46,923
<i>I'm interested in clothes.</i>

1092
01:02:47,030 --> 01:02:49,760
<i>And even if I knew them, knew who
they were, and usually I don't,</i>

1093
01:02:49,867 --> 01:02:52,961
<i>I don't go to the movies much
and I've never owned television.</i>

1094
01:02:54,004 --> 01:02:56,598
<i>I'd never be a paparazzi.
I couldn't be.</i>

1095
01:02:56,707 --> 01:03:00,734
<i>To torment people and chase them...
Oh, that I couldn't do. I wouldn't do.</i>

1096
01:03:00,844 --> 01:03:04,143
<i>I think it has to be done
just discreetly and quietly.</i>

1097
01:03:04,248 --> 01:03:06,512
<i>"Invisible,"I think, is the word.</i>

1098
01:03:11,421 --> 01:03:16,188
This is the greatest subject
in all of Europe... Madame Piaggi.

1099
01:03:16,293 --> 01:03:18,193
<i>C'est le video
The New York Times.</i>

1100
01:03:18,295 --> 01:03:19,353
Yeah, I know.

1101
01:03:19,463 --> 01:03:23,263
The pumps. I don't like them
on me, but it's good on her.

1102
01:03:23,967 --> 01:03:25,935
When did he first photograph you?

1103
01:03:26,036 --> 01:03:28,266
Uh, in the '70s.

1104
01:03:28,372 --> 01:03:32,001
<i>I photographed her
outside Saint Laurent's couture show,</i>

1105
01:03:32,109 --> 01:03:36,512
<i>mixed in with all the other women that were
trying to be so chic with their pantsuits.</i>

1106
01:03:36,613 --> 01:03:38,513
<i>It was a revelation.</i>

1107
01:03:38,615 --> 01:03:40,640
<i>I mean, I never saw anyone like her.</i>

1108
01:03:40,751 --> 01:03:43,549
<i>I think she's a poet with clothes.</i>

1109
01:03:43,654 --> 01:03:45,815
<i>But a very fine poet.</i>

1110
01:03:45,923 --> 01:03:47,982
<i>Oh, my God, I wouldn't miss her.</i>

1111
01:03:48,091 --> 01:03:49,718
<i>To me, that's the
reason to go to Paris.</i>

1112
01:03:49,827 --> 01:03:54,890
<i>I mean, I just like fashion
as an art form of dressing the body.</i>

1113
01:03:54,998 --> 01:03:59,799
If we all went out looking like a slob like
me, it would be a pretty dreary world.

1114
01:03:59,903 --> 01:04:02,667
No, see, I think Bill is very stylish.

1115
01:04:02,773 --> 01:04:04,866
He has a look. It's individual.

1116
01:04:04,975 --> 01:04:06,909
It's Bill... the blue smock.

1117
01:04:07,010 --> 01:04:10,104
The jacket is functional 'cause
it has all the pockets. Right.

1118
01:04:10,214 --> 01:04:11,841
And you can launder it.

1119
01:04:11,949 --> 01:04:13,780
<i>And I thought the color was nice.</i>

1120
01:04:15,853 --> 01:04:20,313
<i>Originally, when I started to buy them
at the Bazar de L'Hotel de Ville,</i>

1121
01:04:20,424 --> 01:04:22,221
<i>they were $20.</i>

1122
01:04:22,326 --> 01:04:26,820
<i>And they were the ones
that the street sweepers wore.</i>

1123
01:04:26,930 --> 01:04:29,990
<i>They came in black
and white and blue.</i>

1124
01:04:30,100 --> 01:04:32,568
<i>And, you see, with the cameras,</i>

1125
01:04:32,669 --> 01:04:36,469
the jackets all get torn here and ruined.

1126
01:04:36,573 --> 01:04:39,406
So that was another thing.

1127
01:04:39,509 --> 01:04:42,706
<i>Why have an expensive,
beautiful jacket...</i>

1128
01:04:42,813 --> 01:04:46,544
<i>and wear it with all the cameras
rubbing on it and wreck it?</i>

1129
01:04:46,650 --> 01:04:50,518
<i>I mean,
I can't imagine such wastefulness.</i>

1130
01:04:52,723 --> 01:04:55,590
Oh, don't mind me. These are my...

1131
01:04:55,692 --> 01:04:58,058
I have to take every morning
my heart pills.

1132
01:04:58,161 --> 01:05:01,460
Keep the heart going.

1133
01:05:05,369 --> 01:05:09,863
This would be an upscale French
caf� for me. Oh, really?

1134
01:05:09,973 --> 01:05:11,440
Not...

1135
01:05:14,745 --> 01:05:17,578
Not terribly upscale, but upscale.

1136
01:05:17,681 --> 01:05:21,014
I like very simple,
down-to-earth, basic things.

1137
01:05:21,118 --> 01:05:23,177
You know, I don't like anything fancy.

1138
01:05:23,287 --> 01:05:25,812
And of course, I suppose that's such
a contradiction. Well, exactly.

1139
01:05:25,923 --> 01:05:28,517
Here I love all these women
dressed up in all these...

1140
01:05:30,394 --> 01:05:33,056
But I don't mind it. L...

1141
01:05:33,163 --> 01:05:35,825
What other people do
doesn't concern me.

1142
01:05:35,933 --> 01:05:37,730
It's just not my interest.

1143
01:05:37,834 --> 01:05:40,098
Tell me something about your family.

1144
01:05:40,203 --> 01:05:42,171
Oh, my family's
just working-class people.

1145
01:05:42,272 --> 01:05:45,571
<i>Just marvelous, normal,
hardworking people.</i>

1146
01:05:45,676 --> 01:05:47,234
<i>And Catholic people.</i>

1147
01:05:47,344 --> 01:05:52,247
I think I have, uh, half and half.

1148
01:05:52,349 --> 01:05:55,876
When I'm outgoing,
I guess I'm my dad.

1149
01:05:55,986 --> 01:06:01,652
And when I'm... uptight you'd call
it now, or whatever you call it,

1150
01:06:01,758 --> 01:06:04,488
uh, I'd be definitely my mother.

1151
01:06:04,594 --> 01:06:06,721
What does your family
think of what you do?

1152
01:06:06,830 --> 01:06:08,730
No one ever said anything about it,

1153
01:06:08,832 --> 01:06:11,528
but I think in years, in retrospect...

1154
01:06:11,635 --> 01:06:13,626
'cause I never thought about it...

1155
01:06:13,737 --> 01:06:18,640
they didn't think fashion
was a very manly pursuit,

1156
01:06:18,742 --> 01:06:21,006
or profession, for a man, you know.

1157
01:06:21,111 --> 01:06:22,840
So it was that kind of thing.
Right.

1158
01:06:24,281 --> 01:06:26,146
Whatever.

1159
01:06:32,489 --> 01:06:35,049
Do you feel honored to be getting
this award from the French?

1160
01:06:35,158 --> 01:06:36,785
Oh, it's very lovely of them.

1161
01:06:36,893 --> 01:06:38,827
It's exciting.

1162
01:06:38,929 --> 01:06:40,556
I don't know
why they're doing it, frankly.

1163
01:06:40,664 --> 01:06:42,996
Oh, come on, are you kidding?

1164
01:06:43,100 --> 01:06:45,398
'Cause you live long enough to hang around?
Are you kidding?

1165
01:06:45,502 --> 01:06:48,960
Congratulations.
Oh, Daphne! Oh, child!

1166
01:06:49,072 --> 01:06:51,973
It's you they should be honoring, not me.

1167
01:06:52,075 --> 01:06:54,339
<i>Merci.</i>

1168
01:06:54,444 --> 01:06:57,607
It should be Jean Luc.
He's the one they should be honoring.

1169
01:06:57,714 --> 01:07:00,182
No. Yes!

1170
01:07:00,283 --> 01:07:02,148
He doesn't want
to be honored.

1171
01:07:02,252 --> 01:07:04,880
He doesn't want
anything.

1172
01:07:04,988 --> 01:07:08,014
And I'm amazed
he accepted tonight.

1173
01:07:08,125 --> 01:07:13,358
<i>He's not only Chevalier, but directly
Officer, which is exceptional.</i>

1174
01:07:13,463 --> 01:07:18,366
Very deeply, I think
he doesn't believe he deserves it.

1175
01:07:18,468 --> 01:07:22,234
That's why he deserves it... even more.

1176
01:07:28,712 --> 01:07:33,012
I just think it's so funny
that you're working at your own party.

1177
01:07:33,116 --> 01:07:35,778
My dear, it's not work.
It's pleasure.

1178
01:07:35,886 --> 01:07:37,410
You know, you're right, but still.

1179
01:07:37,521 --> 01:07:39,352
You think I'm gonna miss
a good picture?

1180
01:07:42,192 --> 01:07:45,025
Are you still living in Carnegie Hall?
Yeah.

1181
01:07:45,128 --> 01:07:46,993
In the same studio?
Yeah. Yeah.

1182
01:07:47,097 --> 01:07:48,064
Okay.

1183
01:07:48,165 --> 01:07:50,030
They're going to throw me
out eventually. Oh, God.

1184
01:07:50,133 --> 01:07:53,261
No, no, no.
Either that or I go out in a coffin.

1185
01:07:53,370 --> 01:07:55,304
Who knows? Who cares?

1186
01:07:57,107 --> 01:07:58,768
<i>Bonsoir, madame.</i>

1187
01:08:27,070 --> 01:08:30,437
Congratulations.

1188
01:09:01,371 --> 01:09:03,202
When I photograph...

1189
01:09:09,980 --> 01:09:12,141
But that's what we're here for.

1190
01:09:13,083 --> 01:09:18,715
I'm not interested in the celebrities,
with their free dresses.

1191
01:09:18,822 --> 01:09:21,655
<i>That's...
C'est pas important.</i>

1192
01:09:22,492 --> 01:09:25,461
At least look at the clothes.

1193
01:09:31,301 --> 01:09:32,563
It's the clothes,

1194
01:09:32,669 --> 01:09:36,230
not the celebrity,
and not the spectacle.

1195
01:09:36,339 --> 01:09:41,140
It's as true today as it ever was.

1196
01:09:41,244 --> 01:09:43,906
He who seeks beauty...

1197
01:09:44,014 --> 01:09:45,879
Will find it.

1198
01:10:00,030 --> 01:10:05,127
<i>We cannot base New
York City's entire economy...</i>

1199
01:10:05,235 --> 01:10:07,533
<i>on Wall Street and real estate.</i>

1200
01:10:07,637 --> 01:10:14,736
<i>It's a rally to save, or protect
, the garment industry from disappearing.</i>

1201
01:10:14,844 --> 01:10:16,812
But I'm afraid it's too late.

1202
01:10:16,913 --> 01:10:18,210
Uh...

1203
01:10:18,315 --> 01:10:21,910
All the jobbers are gone.
They've all more or less moved out.

1204
01:10:22,018 --> 01:10:26,045
<i>90-95%
of the clothes Americans wear...</i>

1205
01:10:26,156 --> 01:10:28,989
<i>are made outside of America.</i>

1206
01:10:29,092 --> 01:10:30,889
Michael!

1207
01:10:32,395 --> 01:10:34,693
Mr. Cunningham, they
would like you up there.

1208
01:10:34,798 --> 01:10:36,095
How are you?
Great. Good.

1209
01:10:36,199 --> 01:10:37,325
You?
Good to see you.

1210
01:10:37,434 --> 01:10:38,799
Good.

1211
01:10:38,902 --> 01:10:40,392
I'm hanging out
behind the scenes.

1212
01:10:40,503 --> 01:10:43,063
I think I'll take one of those pea coats.
Made in America?

1213
01:10:43,173 --> 01:10:45,107
Get ready for the best part
of the pea coat.

1214
01:10:45,208 --> 01:10:47,403
Cashmere and neoprene.
Oh, too rich for me.

1215
01:10:49,012 --> 01:10:55,247
David Wolfson is one of the last..."jobbers"?
What do you call yourself, David?

1216
01:10:55,352 --> 01:10:58,219
Oh, contractor. Contractor.
Excuse me. I'll get it straight.

1217
01:10:58,321 --> 01:11:03,258
There were thousands of them 30 years ago,
and there's now maybe 45.

1218
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:05,225
You know? Yeah.

1219
01:11:07,163 --> 01:11:08,858
Oh, look at this.

1220
01:11:31,621 --> 01:11:36,251
This would fit the bill
of the measurements...

1221
01:11:36,359 --> 01:11:39,988
of what Carnegie Hall said we were
entitled to or not to?

1222
01:11:40,096 --> 01:11:42,656
Yes.
Yeah.

1223
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:48,261
Well, it would be nice if I had
clothes to hang here.

1224
01:11:48,371 --> 01:11:50,566
But it's beautiful,
with the whole wall of windows,

1225
01:11:50,674 --> 01:11:52,938
and the windowed kitchen
facing the park.

1226
01:11:53,043 --> 01:11:56,206
That's an embarrassment,
isn't it?

1227
01:12:16,933 --> 01:12:18,696
Uh, where's the next one?

1228
01:12:18,802 --> 01:12:21,828
The next one is on the 14th floor.

1229
01:12:26,509 --> 01:12:28,033
Here we go.

1230
01:12:30,313 --> 01:12:32,076
To your right.

1231
01:12:32,182 --> 01:12:36,175
I think... I think you'd like this one...

1232
01:12:36,286 --> 01:12:38,254
as an option.

1233
01:12:39,689 --> 01:12:41,156
Okay.

1234
01:12:56,206 --> 01:12:58,538
Bill, this was the one
that had the dining area...

1235
01:12:58,641 --> 01:13:00,632
My dear, l...
and the bigger kitchen.

1236
01:13:00,744 --> 01:13:03,770
I've never dined in, in my entire life.

1237
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:05,848
Well, maybe you'll start.

1238
01:13:05,949 --> 01:13:08,247
This seems smaller.

1239
01:13:08,351 --> 01:13:10,410
A little bit.
It could be the lighting.

1240
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:12,147
Yes.
Yeah.

1241
01:13:12,255 --> 01:13:13,722
Yeah, the view.

1242
01:13:19,529 --> 01:13:23,556
I appreciate your time, and I'll try
not to take more of it, you know?

1243
01:13:23,666 --> 01:13:26,100
You take as long as you need.
Well, yeah.

1244
01:13:36,579 --> 01:13:40,106
If you take one of these
apartments, when are you going to move?

1245
01:13:43,219 --> 01:13:46,382
What do you do with bicycles?
I don't know.

1246
01:14:08,044 --> 01:14:10,478
<i>So I'm going to ask
you two very personal questions...</i>

1247
01:14:10,580 --> 01:14:12,241
<i>you may or may not want to answer.</i>

1248
01:14:12,348 --> 01:14:13,815
<i>It's completely up to you.</i>

1249
01:14:13,917 --> 01:14:18,081
But have you ever had a romantic
relationship in your entire life?

1250
01:14:21,057 --> 01:14:23,491
Now, do you want to know
if I'm gay?

1251
01:14:23,593 --> 01:14:25,390
Yes.

1252
01:14:25,495 --> 01:14:26,962
Isn't that a riot?

1253
01:14:27,063 --> 01:14:31,557
Well, that's probably why the family wanted
to keep me out of the fashion world.

1254
01:14:31,668 --> 01:14:33,829
They wouldn't speak of such a thing.

1255
01:14:35,872 --> 01:14:37,897
No. I haven't.

1256
01:14:38,007 --> 01:14:42,034
Never in your entire life?
No. It never occurred to me.

1257
01:14:42,145 --> 01:14:44,238
I guess I just was interested in clothes.

1258
01:14:44,347 --> 01:14:46,781
That's the obsession.

1259
01:14:46,883 --> 01:14:49,852
It's probably a little peculiar.

1260
01:14:49,953 --> 01:14:51,818
Is that something you regret?

1261
01:14:53,389 --> 01:14:55,721
No. I wouldn't even think about it.

1262
01:14:55,825 --> 01:14:57,816
No, I don't regret it.

1263
01:14:57,927 --> 01:15:00,020
There was no time.
I was working night and day.

1264
01:15:00,129 --> 01:15:02,120
I mean, I don't know when you'd...

1265
01:15:02,232 --> 01:15:04,132
Uh, no, it was...

1266
01:15:06,436 --> 01:15:08,529
And in my family, uh,

1267
01:15:10,006 --> 01:15:12,907
things like that were never discussed.

1268
01:15:13,009 --> 01:15:15,500
So it never...
It wasn't even in my head or my mind.

1269
01:15:15,612 --> 01:15:18,103
I wouldn't have known a thing about it.

1270
01:15:18,214 --> 01:15:19,681
So they needn't have worried.

1271
01:15:19,782 --> 01:15:22,580
But years later, I surmised...

1272
01:15:22,685 --> 01:15:26,587
that that must have been
in the back of their minds.

1273
01:15:26,689 --> 01:15:29,817
And certainly the women
from Chez Ninon.

1274
01:15:31,127 --> 01:15:33,254
You've had good friends.

1275
01:15:33,363 --> 01:15:35,456
You've had good friends.

1276
01:15:35,565 --> 01:15:37,965
A few people that I've known.

1277
01:15:38,067 --> 01:15:40,558
Yes. Yeah.

1278
01:15:40,670 --> 01:15:42,331
Uh...

1279
01:15:42,438 --> 01:15:44,998
People that... Oh, you mean...
Just friends.

1280
01:15:45,108 --> 01:15:47,906
Oh, Yeah. Yeah.
No, I have friends.

1281
01:15:48,011 --> 01:15:50,377
I mean,
Antonio was a dear friend.

1282
01:15:50,480 --> 01:15:53,005
Oh, Antonio... I love those kids.

1283
01:15:53,116 --> 01:15:55,607
And Suzette.
Yes.

1284
01:15:55,718 --> 01:16:00,178
Yeah, they... It's just, I suppose I've...

1285
01:16:01,558 --> 01:16:02,684
I don't know.

1286
01:16:02,792 --> 01:16:06,956
You can't be in love with your work,
but I enjoyed it so much that it didn't...

1287
01:16:07,063 --> 01:16:09,156
Yeah.

1288
01:16:09,265 --> 01:16:11,256
But hey, listen, I am human.

1289
01:16:11,367 --> 01:16:13,767
Exactly.

1290
01:16:13,870 --> 01:16:18,671
You do have, uh, body urges
or whatever,

1291
01:16:18,775 --> 01:16:23,041
but, uh,
you control it as best you can.

1292
01:16:24,681 --> 01:16:28,242
And then the other question is...
and again, you don't have to answer this...

1293
01:16:28,351 --> 01:16:32,515
but I know that you go to church
every Sunday.

1294
01:16:32,622 --> 01:16:34,419
Oh, yeah.

1295
01:16:34,524 --> 01:16:36,151
And does religion...

1296
01:16:37,193 --> 01:16:40,094
Is that an important component
of your life?

1297
01:16:55,445 --> 01:16:57,913
We don't have to talk about this.

1298
01:17:02,552 --> 01:17:07,512
Yeah, I think it's a good guidance
in your life.

1299
01:17:09,759 --> 01:17:10,783
Uh...

1300
01:17:13,896 --> 01:17:18,094
Yeah, it's something I need and, uh...

1301
01:17:18,201 --> 01:17:20,726
Yeah, I guess maybe
it's part of your upbringing.

1302
01:17:20,837 --> 01:17:22,304
I don't know.

1303
01:17:24,007 --> 01:17:26,032
Whatever it is, everyone...

1304
01:17:26,142 --> 01:17:29,305
You do whatever you do
the best you can work things out,

1305
01:17:29,412 --> 01:17:31,346
but yeah.

1306
01:17:32,382 --> 01:17:35,374
I find it very important. Yeah.

1307
01:17:35,485 --> 01:17:37,851
For whatever reason.
I don't know.

1308
01:17:37,954 --> 01:17:39,819
As a kid...

1309
01:17:39,922 --> 01:17:43,449
I went to church and all I did
was look at women's hats.

1310
01:17:44,460 --> 01:17:45,757
You know.

1311
01:17:45,862 --> 01:17:51,129
But later, when you mature,
for different reasons.

1312
01:17:53,069 --> 01:17:55,264
There's nothing worse.
Yes, there is.

1313
01:17:55,371 --> 01:17:59,467
What you're about to go through
is worse than getting a pink slip.

1314
01:17:59,575 --> 01:18:01,736
All right? Are you ready?

1315
01:18:01,844 --> 01:18:03,812
Because it's this way. It's like...

1316
01:18:03,913 --> 01:18:05,642
Oh, my... Surprise!

1317
01:18:05,748 --> 01:18:08,546
Happy birthday!

1318
01:18:12,455 --> 01:18:15,447
Look at them all in those jackets!

1319
01:18:15,558 --> 01:18:17,355
How did you do it?

1320
01:18:17,460 --> 01:18:19,485
Spending all that money!
Oh!

1321
01:18:19,595 --> 01:18:21,586
Terrible. That's it.
We're taking you out the back way.

1322
01:18:21,698 --> 01:18:23,461
Look at those kids!

1323
01:18:30,306 --> 01:18:34,003
You kids are... You're a riot.

1324
01:18:34,110 --> 01:18:36,544
This old geezer...

1325
01:18:41,084 --> 01:18:42,915
...and we are so delighted...

1326
01:18:43,019 --> 01:18:45,886
to have you as part of our family
and be part of yours.

1327
01:18:45,988 --> 01:18:49,014
And... Family? I've fought
with every one of these kids!

1328
01:18:49,125 --> 01:18:50,786
That's family!

1329
01:18:50,893 --> 01:18:52,417
That's right. That's it.

1330
01:18:52,528 --> 01:18:53,995
That's right.

1331
01:18:55,531 --> 01:18:59,331
Gee whiz!


1332
01:18:59,435 --> 01:19:03,394


1333
01:19:03,506 --> 01:19:07,374


1334
01:19:07,477 --> 01:19:12,414
Well, okay.


1335
01:19:12,515 --> 01:19:14,915
Don't forget to make a wish.
Let's see if I can get it, Melissa.

1336
01:19:15,017 --> 01:19:17,417
This old geezer...

1337
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:19,818
Okay, kid. You got it.

1338
01:19:20,590 --> 01:19:22,057
Whoo!

1339
01:19:30,933 --> 01:19:32,798
That is really nice.

1340
01:19:34,871 --> 01:19:36,964
Bill, we wrote a...
I wrote a song for you.

1341
01:19:37,073 --> 01:19:38,563
Oh, my God.

1342
01:19:39,876 --> 01:19:44,779

out on the street today?

1343
01:19:45,381 --> 01:19:50,011

and now you pay

1344
01:19:50,620 --> 01:19:55,648

and you're still out on your bike

1345
01:19:55,758 --> 01:20:00,320

pink scarves, sandals

1346
01:20:00,429 --> 01:20:02,056


1347
01:20:02,165 --> 01:20:07,694

on the page

1348
01:20:07,804 --> 01:20:13,367

and we're half your age

1349
01:20:13,476 --> 01:20:15,376


1350
01:20:15,478 --> 01:20:18,914


1351
01:20:19,015 --> 01:20:21,210


1352
01:20:21,317 --> 01:20:26,277


1353
01:20:26,389 --> 01:20:27,856
<i>Yeah!</i>

1354
01:20:45,174 --> 01:20:50,134
<i>

1355
01:21:52,842 --> 01:21:54,469
I just try to play a straight game,

1356
01:21:54,577 --> 01:21:58,479
and in New York that's very...
almost impossible.

1357
01:22:00,249 --> 01:22:02,740
To be honest and straight in New York,

1358
01:22:05,655 --> 01:22:09,489
that's like Don Quixote fighting windmills.

1359
01:22:09,592 --> 01:22:11,583
Ooh, hoo. Shut up, Cunningham.

1360
01:22:11,694 --> 01:22:15,357
Let's get this thing
on the road and get up and work.

1361
01:22:17,266 --> 01:22:20,064
All right, turn off the cameras.
We've had enough of this.

1362
01:22:20,169 --> 01:22:22,693
<i>

1363
01:22:22,805 --> 01:22:24,796
<i>

1364
01:22:24,907 --> 01:22:26,602
<i>

1365
01:22:26,709 --> 01:22:31,237
<i>
the rain and the sunset

1366
01:22:31,347 --> 01:22:33,542
<i>

1367
01:22:33,649 --> 01:22:35,947
<i>

1368
01:22:36,052 --> 01:22:40,079
<i>
has seen your mind

1369
01:22:40,189 --> 01:22:44,683
<i>
twisted and unkind

1370
01:22:44,794 --> 01:22:48,730
<i>
that you are blind

1371
01:22:48,831 --> 01:22:53,131
<i>

1372
01:22:53,235 --> 01:22:56,261
<i>

1373
01:23:10,820 --> 01:23:14,984
<i>
to believe you don't know

1374
01:23:15,091 --> 01:23:16,752
<i>

1375
01:23:16,859 --> 01:23:21,694
<i>
me be your eyes

1376
01:23:21,797 --> 01:23:23,890
<i>

1377
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:26,059
<i>

1378
01:23:26,168 --> 01:23:30,400
<i>
the night has seen your mind

1379
01:23:30,506 --> 01:23:34,738
<i>
twisted and unkind

1380
01:23:34,844 --> 01:23:39,008
<i>
that you are blind

1381
01:23:39,115 --> 01:23:43,279
<i>

1382
01:23:43,386 --> 01:23:46,446
<i>

1383
01:23:52,194 --> 01:23:56,324
<i>


1384
01:23:56,432 --> 01:24:00,528
<i>


1385
01:24:00,636 --> 01:24:04,834
<i>


1386
01:24:04,940 --> 01:24:08,398
<i>


1387
01:24:09,879 --> 01:24:11,813
<i>